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It looks ugly, but 764 hp of overboots and ability to charge in 15 minutes plus a 2 second 0-60 time all sound pretty awesome.
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The Z8 was cool, and if you bought one back then they can sell for $300,000 or more now if they are low mileage. The late 90s, early 2000s was the last time BMW had good styling, and I wasn't even a fan of it then, but they went ugly in the Bangle era, then got conservative and boring and lost after that.
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It looks better in silver, but still doesn’t look very good. After seeing this, I feel like Mercedes needs to kill off the SLC and put an AMG sports car out to smash this thing and compete with the Boxster/Cayman/718, and the Corvette.
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Hyundai News:2019 Hyundai Elantra is Infatuated with Triangles
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Hyundai
Front end looks a bit silly but the interior looks good for the segment it is in. I like how the center stack angles toward the driver a bit. The 200 hp model should be fairly quick in a car this small, that 129 hp Eco model sounds like a dog. -
It looks like the Fiat, which is pretty disappointing. What happened to the design of the concept car? What a let down.
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Hyundai News:2019 Hyundai Kona Electric Has A 258 Mile Range
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Hyundai
But the Bolt doesn't look like an SUV. Nor does the BMW i3. Which is a problem. SUV body style is what sells, where as wagons, hatchbacks, minivans, etc do not. -
Hyundai News:2019 Hyundai Kona Electric Has A 258 Mile Range
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Hyundai
It looks better than the Bolt inside and out, and it is a small crossover which is the most coveted body style, vs some lifted hatchback or whatever the Bolt is. This thing beats the Bolt on all fronts, except we don't know the price of it. -
Hyundai News:2019 Hyundai Kona Electric Has A 258 Mile Range
smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Hyundai
These look good for a small crossover, and because it doesn't look funky like a Leaf or i3, it looks really good compared to other EV's. And this is how an EV should look, you want it be a small crossover because that is the hottest segment of the market, and the range is great too, and it as fast as or faster than other small SUVs. Big question is what does it cost? -
The Cadillac website says the CTS starts at $46,000, the 530i starts at $53,000, that is what I was going off. My earlier point was they can’t price a base CT5 at $53,000 like the 5-Series is, regardless of the equipment on it. People expect a sedan to be cheaper than an SUV, if an XT5 is $41,000 to start, a CT5 needs to be $40,000. And yet since the 90s the Germans have done sedan, coupe, convertible, wagon body styles on many of their models and Cadillac is sedan only save for the ATS coupe. Why doesn’t Cadillac make more body styles?
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Yes they are hot now, my point was Cadillac is late to the SUV party, the XT4 isn’t at dealers yet and XT6 is at least a year out. You have BMW and Audi still bringing more SUV’s even though they have 5 or 6 already. I don’t think there is such thing as too many sadly. I do think there is room above the Escalade, that is where Cadillac needs to go more so than below the XT4. Really you could put 2 SUV’s above the Escalade if one was ultra luxury and the other was a Lamborghini Urus fighter.
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A 4-cylinder rear drive 5-Series starts at $53,000. No way can they price a CT5 there. Cadillac should be going for Genesis G70/G80 pricing. And yes they need more SUVs, I don’t know what is taking so long, SUVs were hot 5 years ago.
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True, but you can't buy a CTS right now for 3-series money. The original CTS was the only one that sold well because it was probably even cheaper than the Lexus ES of the time, the other mid-size car for 3-series money that sold well. So what do they do with CT4/CT5 this time around? The current ATS/CTS are dead in the water regardless of what you compare them too, neither sell.
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Right, so Cadillac should promote space and comfort, not handling, chassis dynamics, and how much weight savings they got out of the Omega platform, because no one cares what the car weighs except people that go to track days. I don't think I ever heard an XT5 ad saying it was the roomiest SUV in its segment, and I don't know if a Lexus RX is roomier or not, and I don't really care to look it up. But then they run the risk of getting into comparisons with an Acura MDX or Buick Enclave or Toyota Highlander even that all have more cargo space than an XT5 and 3-row seating. Different attributes are going to attract people to a particular car. The Mustang sells well, and it has no cargo room and a near useless back seat and doesn't work in snow, but people don't care. But the Mustang has a clear image and clear advertising, Cadillac hasn't had that clear focus for decades, maybe they did in the Led Zeppelin advertising era, but it has been a long while.
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Correct, as I said the ATS dimensions are 183" x 71" x 56" and a 2013 3-series dimensions are 183" x 71" x 56". And that generation 3-series was on sale during the ATS's development, I don't think it was an accident that the ATS has the exact same dimensions as a 3-series.
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No they aren't. The ATS's dimensions are 183″ L x 71″ W x 56″ H. When it went on sale the C-class dimensions were 180.8 x 69.7 x 56.3 in. The ATS was slightly larger at the time and they bragged about how the weight was less than a 3-series or C-class, when the CTS came out they said it is lighter than a 5-series and the CTS-V would have more power than the M5. I don't remember Cadillac saying the CTS-V was an M3competitor. If they want to play the mid-size vehicle at small size price (which I do think is a smart strategy for them) then they need to market it that way and price it that way. CT4 needs to be $32,000 and CT5 at $40,000.
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Cargo room in the Encore 48.4 cubic feet, GLC 56.5 cubic feet, XT5, 63 cubic feet. Encore legroom Front/Rear: 40.8/35.75 inches GLC: 40.8/37.3 inches Encore shoulder room front/rear: 54.2/52.5 GLC: 57.3/56.5 inches So the GLC is roomier. And you can buy a GLC that is faster than a Corvette Grand Sport. Mercedes isn't trying to sell cubic foot per dollar, they sell technology and performance. No one ever said Mercedes is the value play in luxury, they are usually the most expensive car in the segment, but you get what you pay for.
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So why not just back to selling size and space for Cadillac? Make the XT4 the size of an X3 or GLC but $6,000 cheaper, make the XT5 the size of an X5 for a $10k discount, make the CTS/CT5 a mid-size sedan at 3-series money, the CT6 is already a full size car for mid-size money, make the CT4 $29k. At least it would be a strategy they could go all in on and market and promote. Their line up can't decide whether it's wants to be a Lexus fighter, a Lincoln fighter or a Nurburgring conquerer.
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The XT4 is 8 inches longer than a GLA, 2 inches shorter than a GLC. Perhaps it will size up well with the new GLB, which rumor is may have a 3rd row, which I imagine that will be a segment exclusive. Bottom line is Cadillac could easily do an SUV smaller than the XT4.
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They are in that sense, but the XT5 is the largest of the group, not that that is a bad thing for people that want room, but there is also an X5, GLE, Q7 sitting on top of those cars that Cadillac is totally ignoring a whole segment.
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Nice effort from the ATS there. And that is with price on their side. This is why I don't see what they can do with the CT4 to correct that sales result. And let's remember the USA is only the 3rd best sales market for the C-class and 3-series. China 2017 sales: C-class: 129,258 3-series: 123,206 ATS: 55,682 Europe 2017 sales: C-class: 176,915 3/4-series: 129,053 + 64,710 = 193,763 All Cadillacs: 916
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Because there is only 1 crossover in a Cadillac showroom vs 3-4 in any of the German showrooms. Add up X1, X2, X3, X5, X6 put together and that is no contest, likewise if you add GLC and GLE together. This year in China the GLC has outsold the XT5 63,411 to 40,827. The Germans aren't short on volume, worldwide they are top 3 by a wide margin. New Escalade if they go with twin turbo V6 and the twin turbo V8 out of the CT6 V-sport and I heard independent rear suspension is coming they could have strong contender. But everyone else will have a strong contender too. I also think there is room way above the current Escalade for an SUV in the $150-200,000 range.
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Very good points and even the CTS has a small back seat for how large a car it is. With the CTS’s wheelbase there should be XTS level room in that car. I wonder what % of Cadillac buyers are men, vs BMW or Audi buyers? Because I feel like Cadillac appeals more to men, who on average are taller than women, so that leg room complaint comes up more often. And yes the Alfa Romeo is the performance champ and it has over 500 hp. The ATS-V is down on power, needs a V8.
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Maybe Cadillac needs to have a better grasp on what the buying public wants. They totally missed on crossovers, Lexus has 4 SUVs and is still missing a good 3 row so they rushed out a 3 row RX. Really you need 5 SUVs in today’s world to compete because sedans aren’t selling. Cadillac thought the ATS would conquest 3-Series sales, it didn’t happen, adding $10,000 to the CTS and moving it up market was a mistake. Traditional Cadillac buyers have never heard of the Nurburgring so they didn’t care about handling, but that is what Cadillac tried to sell. The only successful Cadillac in the past 10 years has been the Escalade and that is partly because SUVs are on fire, and there has been little competition in that segment, but now the Navigator is back, new GLS, X7, Q8 are coming, Tesla has the Model X, Bentley and Rolls are in the SUV game, etc. That market will get crowded fast.
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And yet they refuse to rename the Escalade, so they don’t have to rename anything. If the CT4 is just a refreshed ATS with a new name that product will fail.
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If the ATS and CTS aren’t failures why are both getting cancelled? Both are slow sellers, compare an ATS to 3-Series sales as that was their original target. CTS is under 1,000 units a month and it is a car with very little international volume. Both combined sell less than the CTS did in 2006 and the market has grown since then. Model 3 was a procruon disaster before but it won’t be by the time either of these cars hit the market.
