Cory Wolfe

*edit* Sorry.

Oh... I know 95 was the worst year for the Quad4. However, 9 secs to 60 and 17 secs to 1/4mi sounds oddly off. C&D never liked GAs anyways... but my GA is faster than that. Maybe its the K&N air filter it has... F**k it, I'm selling it anyways. Why should I bother to defend it when it's not running perfectly? Anyways, I'm not even thinking about replacing it with a G6. First off, I can't afford a GTP which is the only G6 worth getting considering the less than spectacular performance of the rest. Second, I think I'd rather get another POS GA. Yeah... they're already faster than 2/3 G6s. Probably a HO Quad4. Third, I'm not really interesting in getting a Pontiac at the moment. You see... I need something reliable and the Pontiacs that I can afford are nothing near that. As for the Cobalt... No surprise there since it's relatively light. Can't afford nor want one anyways.

I objectively read your post... and I have to say... What is so wrong with wanting a car that can outrun my 95 Grand Am? Honestly? I have the smallest engine offered for 95, yet it can outrun all but the biggest engine available in G6s? Do any of you guys not see a problem with that? Honestly? If you ask me... that is f**ked up. If any of you insist otherwise... Guess what. You are a f**king retard. Ask me and I will tell you. Please do. I love calling people that... Please fulfill my desires. *takes out gun* *blows head off*

Hostility? :lol: I just used sarcasm to show why his post was about as relevant as me talking about gay dog. Oops, my bad. Didn't mean to sound hostile but my love of Pontiac overpowers many things. When I feel that it is being threatened by stupid ideas or total retardation and other stuff like that, I like to make it obvious. As far as I'm concerned... I'm the Pontiac fanatic, don't try to tell me what Pontiac needs. Again, I'm sorry if that displeases members, but it's fun. Really fun. I love to use sarcasm. I mean, it's not my fault there are alot of rediculous thoughts in this thread... :D Oops, did it again, Sorry.

Sudden thought... "Not everyone wants a race car, and CAFE is still the law of the car sales fleet." Huh... I didn't know wanting a car that can outrun my POS 95 Grand Am is wanting a race car. Wow... I'm highly appreciative of how you think my Quad4 powered GA is a race car. Want to buy this race car? C&G Member's special is only $500. That race car will outrun G6s with the 3500! Ohh-weee! Better snatch this steal before someone else does!

No offense, but are you being sarcastic or just retarded? :blink: "Gas is not cheap anymore, and Pontiac is not a company that "makes" cars, they SELL what GM makes." No... Really? I did not know that... I thought Pontiac made they're own cars... I mean... I just love the DOHC V10 powered Fiero on the Pizzi platform that sells for $12,980. I'm going to buy one someday. Yep. :mellow: "The real world couldn't care less about Pontiac's image being "ruined" by a 4 cylinder car. It would sell, and the sun would still come up tomorrow." Yep. That's why Pontiac outsells Honda in California... :huh: They just don't care about Pontiac's image, do they? "Back in the 1960's 'glory days', Pontiac actually sold more station wagons, sedans, and 6 cylinder cars than the GTO's." But... But I thought Pontiac sold about 2,400,000 GTOs in 64, alone, compared to only 12,000 for the rest of Pontiac vehicles in the entire decade of the 60s. :unsure: "Some don't understand BUSINESS. You need to have bread and butter to sell, to support the desserts." Really? I always thought you could be the number 1 selling brand in America with only niche vehicles... Guess I wrong... Wow. :o So... which is it? Sarcastic or Retarded? Right now I'm leaning towards one very heavily. What I just wrote is filled with the other. Hope I didn't give away my opinion... Anyways, you're basically saying Pontiac should just be a brand filled with a bunch rebadges and sales toppers with a few niche vehicles... You know... because that's what will truly return Pontiac to greatness: a bunch of ho-hum vehicles that are underpowered and overweight. Perfect! I'll alert the presses of your wonderful idea! -_-

The 1988 Grand Prix was NOT offered with a DOHC engine nor was it offered with a turbo (came out in 1989, I believe) nor was it offered with a 5-speed (again, came later). The "winner" of the 1988 COTY award had a 2.8L OHV V6 and a 4-speed automatic transmission...and a recall of which I previously mentioned. Yeah... the DOHC 3.4 came in 91 and the ASC Mclaren turbo came in 89. I'm not quite sure when the 5-speed manual came for either the 2.8L or 3.4L, but I always thought it was available when those engines were first available. But, yeah... the actual winning GP wasn't all that great, Sixty8. Even Hell's Pontiac fanatic can tell you that... :P

Well... if it's true... I'll be gathering people for a riot to remove Wagoner and perhaps kill him after we torture him live on camera. If not, I'll still do it. He needs removed regardless... As much as I am not a fan of Lutz, he is more of a car guy than Wagoner can ever dream of being and he isn't a complete idiot either. So... PM me if you're interesting in rioting. Its free and you might get beat on Wagoner! It'll be a party, baby! I've almost got the torches ready... fun, fun. :) :D

You're such of funny person! Awesome joke! :) (I actually hope to f**king God you're just kidding... :blink: )

And your point is... :P I don't really care what purpose it would serve. It's still a terrible idea and just the fact that it would be taking a step back in performance makes wonder what the hell happened. I thought GM was supposed to be moving foward? No? But that wouldn't be moving foward, now would it? I didn't think so. It would be a disgrace to the Pontiac name moreso than any Grand Am, Sunfire, Aztek, or other Pontiac people like to bitch about. Just as the Montana is a disgrace. The Torrent is too but, literally, in this SUV obsessed country we live in, I actually can see a purpose for it even though it, too, is a disgrace. Hell... Pontiac's lineup is just full of disgraces... F**k it. Let's just make it worse than it already is... :rolleyes:

Can't wait to see the pics, Josh. Congrats... I'll be waiting at McDonalds on the Boulevard for your arrival to Brookville to give me that ride.. :D :P

You forgot to take into consideration inflation. $14k in 1996 isn't $14k now. [post="50363"][/post] Inflation, my ass... You said base, he gave you the base for a 97 Grand Am. It is in everyway possible, comparable to a base 06 G6. Hello?!?!?!? :blink: Also, according that book I have, the base price for my GA GT was $14,854. No, I had no reason to bring that up. Yes, it is irrelavant. Shoot me. :P

First, I must say... I was using the G6 GT's weight which is around 3500 and is geared more aggressively. That has been my example throughout this entire thread. Yes, the extra weight equates to the extra equipment it has, but it is faster even with the extra weight. It has poor performance as it is... 8 seconds to 60. That is terrible. The last Grand Am GT (99-04) went to 60 in only 7.8 seconds... some data says 7.7 secs. It had only 175hp and it weighed about 3100-3200. (I also want to add that it handled much better... about .79 or .8gs compared to .82gs :AH-HA_wink: ) Now... my GA weighs about 2800lbs (and the stats I have say that GA you pointed out weighs about 2900lbs) and has 150hp. I think it has something like 155 lb/ft torque. You can't factor out torque, which the 2.4L Ecotec isn't strong in. Gearing, too. :P Again... I'm not talking about safety and sh!t like that. Performance and performance ONLY. I mean... no f**king sh!t the G6 blows the GA away in safety. That's a given and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Duh... But what really gets me is why I can't compare my GAGT to a base G6? Yeah... there's the price difference but it's the same engine that was in the SE (aka: "base") Grand Am. Same gearing unlike the 3500 in the G6 base and GT. Actually the SE is alot lighter because of the lack of as much cladding and once again equipment. Unlike the G6, the main difference between the trims were styling and handling. So... the SE should be faster in a straight line. Hmm... GM shouldn't even consider stopgap vehicles... Especially in this do or die time. Come on...

Smartass... :P The headgasket won't blow, but the knocking might kill it... :lol: :D Of course... It will still weigh more than a Malibu with the 2.2, though. The increase of horsepower with the 2.4 will most likely even it. Still... it's a Pontiac. It may be okay for a Chevy, but a Pontiac? You and everyone else have got to be kidding me. Not only is it overlapping which many like to bash and end up supporting the PBG merger because of that... it's a Pontiac for Christ's sake. No Pontiac should be the equivilent of a Chevy. It should be above one. This... this wouldn't be and just continues to ruin the General. I'm disgusted and appalled you guys like this idea... Do you want to see Pontiac die? What about GM? I swear you guys do and all I say doesn't compute with your minds. It may be a bit extreme to think that way but I can tell you one thing that is for sure: It isn't helping either. I hope you guys realize that. *shakes head*

Well... Hell if I know... I still don't quite understand what Evok really meant. I can't make much sense of it. It seemed like he was directing them towards me... It's that first sentence that confuses me. The rest is easy to understand. I just can't tell if it's directed towards me or not. Both of these posts kind of make me realize maybe I was harsh. I just don't know. :unsure: Yes... that must be your favorite thing to post here. :D :P

First off... Wow, you'revery much strongly opinionated. A good thing. :) Anyways, how you feel about GM for killing Olds is how I'll feel about it if Pontiac is ever killed... Which, I still fear is going to happen. That and I do agree that the GTO was alot blander than I could have ever imagined. However, you must realize that the original GTO was nothing more than an ordinary Tempest. It was nothing special, design wise. In most ways, the new GTO is just a modern approach to that. You probably wanted a retro design... huh? :P Still, atleast it is RWD and has a 400hp LS2 V8. Just be glad that it isn't FWD with a supercharged 3800... and just think of the bastard vehicles that are the Montana SV6, Torrent, and Vibe. :lol: :D

I can't deny that this will be successful... especially with that engine. Styling wise, it is more mature looking, but it doesn't look as tight as the previous one. The rear is horrible and it is time for to find a new spare tire location. The front and the body are okay, but pretty basic. The interior looks better in that pic but it looks very busy.

I think it's a good idea... I love the sounds of this. Although, any availability of more power is okay by me. :D

I will say that I also hate blatant use of the term rice around here... Anyways, I agree that it's pretty significant as it is definitely the best car in its class (regardless of styling; that's completely subjective as we all know) and that its a much better vehicle than the previous Civic. The more I think about it, the less I think it didn't deserve this award. I mean, it may have just been my bitterness about the Solstice not winning and that the new Civic's styling isn't exactly gorgeous (but not ugly either; just that the sedan is a little abnormal while only the Si looks good, IMO). Actually, if the mechanics stayed as they are, but the body and interior were redone or atleast revised... I would most likely agree with it winning. :P I, for one, can agree with you that the Civic Si is a better car than the Cobalt SS SC. It's more well-rounded than the Cobalt, performance wise. It may not look better, but it doesn't look outdated like the Cobalt. That and it's interior isn't plain. I will say the the only thing about the Civic's interior that bothers me anymore is the layout of the gauges... Heh... I totally agree. :D I hate the 300's styling. Maybe even more than the Aztek's... :lol:

No, but I can do the math. Power to weight ratios. Yeah... heard of those? They actually mean something. That and they have these tests where they see how fast a car can accellerate from 0mph to 60mph... Really, they do. You see... I compare those things. You must have never thought of that... I never said technology hasn't improved on the newer Ecotecs... that doesn't mean they're automatically faster. Especially when you dump one in a 3500lb Midsize car... As I said, the performance of my Quad4 powered G6 is comparable to the G6 powered by the 3500 V6, forget a 4cyl. I repeat: My GA with its ticking, knocking, leaking headgasket Quad4 with 121,000 miles will open a can of whoopass on any 4cyl powered G6. Hands down. If it was in perfect condition, I'd have a good chance of beating a 3500 powered G6. That's how rediculous things are right now... I swear... Have I ever said anything about reliability? No. I'm speaking strictly about performance. 2800lbs + 150hp > 3500lbs + 170hp. By a large margain, I might add... And *ahem* a Malibu is how much lighter than a G6? Yeah... Again, a 4cyl in the undoubtedly heavy G6 is so f**king retarded that I am just completely shocked any of you guys would want that... unless you have plans for the death of Pontiac. It's just as rediculous as giving Pontiac a f**king rebadged minivan. That was and still is one of the worst things to happen to Pontiac, IMO. Pontiac is supposed to be affordable performance that usually appeals to younger buyers. Pontiac was closer to that in the 90s than they are now... A 4cyl in a 3500lbs vehicle? ...That's something I'd expect Chevy to do. Not Pontiac. So if you guys are going to support this, I better not hear any comments about Pontiac and the 90s. Got it? (God... Why do members of C&G want Pontiac to follow in Olds' footsteps? Why oh why!?)

Cool. B)

I have no idea why I'm quoting this. :wacko:

Heh.. I remember that freaky (in a good way) looking thing. Its in one of my books (well, the original).

Well... this was too damn hard so I put them into groups. There were no posts when I did this. Right when I was about finished after looking and thinking for an hour or two, my stupid-f**king-stupid-f**king-retarded-motherf**king-piece-of-crap computer decided it would have a fatal error and go 'ka-put'. Nice, huh? It's lying outside my window smashed all to hell... GM: -Low end Coupe: Pontiac G6 GTP -Low end Sedan: Pontiac G6 GTP -Low end Conv: Pontiac Solstice -Low end Hatch/Wagon: Saab 9-2x -Low end Used**: Pontiac Fiero GT -High end Coupe: Pontiac GTO -High end Sedan: Cadillac CTS-v -High end Conv: Chevrolet Corvette -High end Hatch/Wagon: Saab 9-3 SportCombi -High end Used: Pontiac Firebird DCX: -Low end Coupe: N/A* -Low end Sedan: Dodge Neon SRT4 -Low end Conv: N/A -Low end Hatch/Wagon: Chrysler PT Cruiser GT -Low end Used: Eagle Talon -High end Coupe: Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 -High end Sedan: Dodge Charger SRT8 -High end Conv: Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 -High end Hatch/Wagon: Dodge Magnum SRT8 -High end Used: Dodge Stealth Ford: -Low end Coupe: Mazda RX8 -Low end Sedan: Mazda6 -Low end Conv: Mazda MX5 -Low end Hatch/Wagon: Mazda3 -Low end Used: Ford Probe -High end Coupe: Ford Mustang GT -High end Sedan: Volvo S60R -High end Conv: Ford Mustang GT -High end Hatch/Wagon: Volvo V50 -High end Used: Ford Mustang Euro: -Coupe: Mini Cooper s -Sedan: Audi A4 -Conv: Porshe Boxster -Hatch/Wagon: Audi A3 -Used: VW Corrado Asain: -Honda: --Coupe: Acura RSX Type-S --Sedan: Acura TSX --Conv: Honda S2000 --Hatch/Wagon: N/A --Used: Honda Prelude -Nissan: --Coupe: Infiniti G35 --Sedan: Nissan Altima SE-R --Conv: Nissan 350Z --Hatch/Wagon: N/A --Used: Nissan 240SX -Toyota: --Coupe: Scion tC --Sedan: Lexus IS350 --Conv: N/A --Hatch/Wagon: Toyota Matrix --Used: Toyota Celica -Other: -- Coupe: Mitsubishi Eclipse GT --Sedan: Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX -- Conv: N/A -- Hatch/Wagon: Subaru Impreza WRX -- Used: Subaru Impreza WRX coupe Korean: -Coupe: Hyundai Tiburon -Sedan: Hyundai Sonata -Conv: N/A -Hatch/Wagon: N/A -Used: N/A You see... I love cars way too much to be that goddamn vague. :D (* Means that there weren't any to pick from or wasn't any I'd want) (** Means that this is for vehicles that I can currently afford)

What he said... Anyways, I'd be pissed too. I get pissed easily if you haven't noticed. If it was an accident, I'd eventually calm down. Otherwise I'd probably kill someone... literally. I don't like people messing with my property. Really don't....