Cory Wolfe

How can one be excited about GM when Pontiac sells a Cobalt?

Oh Drew...

Yeah... my mom pays more insurance for HER Sunfire than MY Millenia. Course, she's had bad luck with accidents, but still....

Hmm... I can't say my Encyclopedia of American Cars would even have such specific info. *checks* Yeah, it has wheelbases, but not lengths and widths. Also has weight, prices, production, engines, c.i., horsepower, bore x stroke, and models in the data, while it has writing about each make and model.

Love it.

My family just must be prone to $h!ty cars then. I would never call the 2.4L in ours "bullitproof". Funny, though... the two Grand Ams we had before it and the Blazer were exceptionally good, reliability wise. Even after the two wrecks the 00 SE went through. And as far as looks go, I dislike those front fascias. They look cool at night, but that's about it. It's just way too much of a mess to actually look good. Nothing flows and looks out of place with the rest of the car. I much prefer the look of the original GT with its simple yet sporty look. Or the the newest design, especially the GXP concept.

Looks like mine my mom's... except her's is dark blue. Personally, it handles well and isn't a slouch (0-60 in 7.8s and it can burn out... easily ), but from my experience, they're pretty $h!ty. It is a J-body afterall and my mom's makes me not want one. The engine feels like crap. And everything about it feels like its going to fall apart. But for a first car at only $3500, it's more than acceptable. I wouldn't taken it.

Yes they do. They look tiny under that body. Did I ever say otherwise? As I said, there are other reasons than styling for wanting a car. Being a Dodge fan and all you should know that since only 10% of them are good looking. What does that have to do with anything? Just because I said that being a Dodge fan makes you accustomed to awkward designs, doesnt mean liking other vehicles than Dodges makes them automatically awkward. But yeah... someone's a little sensitive. He does... but then again... Im not all that innocent either.

Hah... someone seems a little sensitive. My sole purpose isn't to bash Chrysler products. Only the cheap, ugly, and downright $h!ty ones. It's not my fault that happens to include most of them. I love the Magnum. The Charger isn't half bad either. As for the Grand Prix, I didn't say it was a work of art. I just said the Avenger's dogleg isn't any better than its. Meaning, both being awkward, smart one. Now, to bring up the front wheels being wider than the rears; that has a purpose FYI, unlike the Avenger's awkwardness. Anywho... as for being cheap, did I mention the interior? Nope. And the wheels... did I say they were 15"s? Nope. They look like it, however, under that huge ass, awkward looking body. But yeah, you're accustomed to it, being a Dodge fan and all. As for that 3-series... RWD, 4cyl, 5spd man., coupe... No... could it be that there are other reasons for wanting a car? Oh wait... I'm talking to a Dodge fan.

Well, being that your a Dodge fan, youre just accustomed to ugly styling, weird proportions, and cheap looking presentation. Especially since even the Charger is better looking. I'll admit the front and rear aren't bad, but everything inbetween just ruins it. It's like the Aveo in how it sits on the wheels; a body way too big for the wheelbase. Those wheels look like piddly 15 inchers. The fender flares just add to that look. Then you have that dogleg in the c-pillar. Like a Grand Prix, but even worse looking. Odd proportions? Yeah. Ane you wanna talk about an awkward front end? Someone here said it best, it looks like it could have come straight off a Dakota... if the newer one werent so damn ugly. But cheap? Looks like a Hot Wheels car come to like... even comes riced from the factory, like a 90's Pontiac! Every design aspect of it has its own molded line. Sexy? Goodlooking? Hell no. Cheap? You betch your ass it is. The panel gaps, though... pretty much sums up that youre either just blind, blindly loyal, or blindly check out vehicles. Hell, I agree with Reg... For that to happen, a vehicle has to be pretty bad.

Are you blind by any chance?

Looks good... Is it ever comming to the US?

Love the Asuna Sunfire, heh.

Hmm... that's one cool Dodge.

My grandma has a Cobalt. It's a little over a year old. Completely problem free. Then again... she's put less than 4k miles on it.

I saw two on a car carrier... T'is it.

Take more then.

*Agrees with Caddy Cruiser*

Wait... sNOSage can't feel his mouth? Hmm...

Can't Croc take a wittle joke?

My god... what a mess. The front is alright, the rear isnt half bad either even if a bit plain... but that entire mid section... from the greenhouse, beltline shoulder, c-pillar upsweep, gargantuan fender flares, and overall chunkiness of the design make for one huge batch of ugliness. DCX must be hiring Chinese designers.

If you search for "Welcome To Brookville" topic titles started by me in the Lounge, you'll have lots of pics.

*In agreement with Variance*

Love those cars. But yeah... if its mechanically sound, go for it. Otherwise, I wouldnt bother.