Razor, I offered my opinion on all this BS long long ago. Look it up if you have to.
As far as me and GM... Why the hell do you think I'm here? I am, for all intents and purposes, a GM fan. I dont hate GM and I dont hate all GM vehicles. I'm just critical of them. I have an opinion, mind you, and I dont give anything a free pass if I dont agree with it or dont like it. That does not make me "dislike every GM vehical on the market". I don't and I've never given that impression. Neither do you. I also happen to like other manufacturers and vehicles. As do you. I,however, don't go around bashing any and everything GM, like a troll does. I know of a few trolls, one I mentioned. You aren't one of them, obviously. Understand, now? I do not flip, I do not flop, I most certainly dont flip flop. I haven't changed. Guess you haven't either, even though I try to be tolerant of you. It would be nice if you gave me break for once.
Now.. for Lutz and Wagoner? I questioned Lutz for the longest time. I thought he was overrated and unable to turn GM around. Once I considered that vehicles, like the G6, were already being developed (albeit, as the 6th gen Grand Am) when Lutz arrived and he did the best he could to improve it and that vehicles of his creation, like the Solstice, I gave him credit. He improved the hell out of what he had to work with. If you've ever seen the pic and all the sketches and mocks up of what the G6 would have been (as the Grand Am) if Lutz hadn't arrived, you'd understand too. However, he couldn't change everything, so that of which you complain about is there. Those are the sort of things he couldn't do a damn thing about. It was already designed into the structure and platform. Now, the Solstice, that his creation and it shows. It is a truely competitive car. It's not perfect, but its far better than anything pre-Lutz. Same with the GMT-900s, same with the upcoming Lambdas, same the NG CTS. Lutz knows what he is doing and he's damn good at it. Some people are too impacient to see that.
Now, I repeat: Farago is still obviously wrong, Buickman is still an egotistical retard, Toyoguy is still a troll, and Evok is still one of the only posters on here that knows a goddamn thing about anything. I'll add that I still think this thread and the ones before it are retarded, pointless, meaningless, and full of repeated BS.