Flybrian

Yeah, that molding is fine for base Trailblazers (which often carry none at all?!), but not an Envoy.

Um...'kay? Fins debuted on the '48 Cadillac and existed until the '99 DeVille - they've been around for a long time, too. But fins were most popular in the decade of the 1950s because virtually every car for sale by every manufacturer had tailfins. Spoilers generally appeared on production cars in the late 60s/ early 70s, but then only on a relative handful of performance cars. Can you imagine a '76 Gran Fury with a spoiler? Exactly. They grew more popular in the 80s on sport trims of compacts, but by the mid-90s showed up on virtually every car, just like fins. To clarify, I'm referring to factory or dealer-installed spoilers installed at the time the car was new. In fact, I think the only spoilerless cars were the Grand Marquis/Vic/Town Car, LS430, 7er, S-Class, and -'99 DeVille. Even minivans and SUVs had spoilers.

I think they way Ford built cars smaller than a Taurus in the late 80s/early 90s has alot to do with that...

Dude, its late and I just watched Oh God!, so step off. j/k

I think that's a joke.

Give me the Cadillacs any day. I like the smoother ride and loads of gadgets that actually have a purpose.

Negatory. Looks like a Gremlin Redux...

Poor resale will help you pick up a Cougar or Grand Am for a lot less than an Accord. Plus, if you plan on keeping it for awhile, who cares? What about an Alero, perhaps an ex-rental car?

Agreed. I believe Edmunds is using the name Centieme to reinforce what they're talking about. Plus, its also Edmunds, which is not reknowned for accuracy. The Rendezvous name has built up a strong reputation in the four/five years its existed. If it ain't broke...

The XUV and SSr would've been fine if they had versions with manually-operated roofs, cloth seats, 6-cylinder engines, and priced at around $25-30k.

Traffic, traffic, lookin' for some chapstick, feelin' kinda carsick, there's a Ford Maverick.

I still say spoilers are the tailfins of the 1990s. Fins were distinctive to say the least. Compare a 1959 Chevrolet to a Buick to a Studebaker to an Imperial to a Mercury to a Dodge. No similarities. Wedgelamps, however, are all the same.

Original style seems to be sorely lacking in certain new models.

'54 Bonneville Special

Toronados Fullsize Grand Marquis/Crown Vic coupes Better yet...Mercury Marquis/Ford LTDs, sedans and wagons Mitsu Expo Lexus ES250 or whatever...the real Camry-lookin' one.

Turn down the a/c and put on some shorts, 'cause here comes the hotness!

Saturn's independence made it great. It didn't really threaten the rest of the GM lineup, it fostered great recognition for itself, and like O.C. said, no one knew it was part of GM. Some still don't today. Saturn had the chance to truly exist mostly by itself, falling back on its parent for experience, engineering, customer financing, marketing budgets, and warranty assistance. I really don't see how Saturn is going to fare from here on out. They sold just as well with three bodystyles of one vehicle as they did with six bodystyles of four vehicles. Its no longer the friendly, happy lil' car next door; now its apparently going to be some svelte, sophisticated car, some half-assed Oldsmobile if you will. You have to understand the place Olds once held in the American marketplace as a truly desired and intelligent automobile. Only Olds had identity, history, and a following in that genre; Saturn doesn't. Plastic panels, free car washes, the Saturn Fest in Spring Hill, and all the other aspects of traditional Saturn culture is fading. You and I may make fun of it and write it off as some dorky goofball shit, but so many people bought into it and loved it. And most importantly, they bought the cars, too... Will they now?

Maybe if the one man is Harley Fucking Earl (the real one, btw).

I'd love for Vibe to be replaced by an authentic GM vehicle, i.e. one with a better engine and better reliability than the current one. Seriously, I really liked the idea of a smallish wagon so much so I considered one back in the day, but the waste-of-time 1.8l holds it back so much.

Shouldn't both of you be in school now? Just messin'

I'm not sad its foreign-only. Its as much a Buick as the Sail is. Nice to see they recycled leftover NOS Catera tails...

"Trendy City Ladies" :lol: :lol: These are so sad they're funny. Its like all the loser who kitted up cheap cars to look like real cars formed a company. And am I the only one to think the Amanti wouldn't look out of place in a knockoff lineup?

Holy crap, that's pretty hot.

Yeah, the 'too experimental' spiel sounds like hogwash to me, too. There's no logic or foundation behind the argument. One could semi-understand if it were a turbine or alcohol-fueled or, hell, even if it were a diesel, but an engine that's been in production for several years with tens of thousands of copies on the roads proving its reliability every day? Do you know if that dealership ever had any Rendezvous Ultras because *gasp* that had a 3.6l mill under the hood, too! Crazy!

Yeah, not so bad until you look inside: Russian cars have always been a laughing stock or simply totally ignored. Yet there are things that can be said about Russian cars because they were - well - designed by Russians for Russia. They're somewhat undependable, but simple to fix with any handy part (remember, the same state factories also produced traactors and other equipment) which makes up for it. Also, most every car by its national virtue has to be a decent off-roader, even the big staff sedans. Honestly, I would totally ignore some of these new 'Russian' cars designed by Italians, engineered by Koreans, and powered by Japanese engines. To me, there is something perennially alluring about a real Soviet-era car like the big Zil 4104 state limousines: Introduced in 1978, they're still being made today at around 15-20 or so a year. And talk about a throwback, here are some stats: *X-layout frame (ya know, like the '59 Oldsmobiles?). *7.7l V8 with 315hp@4600rpm/449ft-lb@4000rpm and dual carbs. *3-speed manumatic with paddle shifters on the wheel. *32 gal. fuel tank. *15" wheels *20'+ OAL *0-60 ~ 13sec *7500lbs curb weight *11mpg Still, I'd love to drive one. What an impression it would make.