Flybrian

I'm sure some would consider that. As I said (and was lost in alot of the 'musings'), you can call the new Tundra whatever you want, but you can't call it classy, something the last one was in certain configurations. In my estimation, this one will steal more sales from the Ram and Titan than the F-150 or GM as those looking for a truly handsome pickup would pick the latter anyday over this, which according to your taste is either macho or tack-on, bloated macho. As far as the size goes, as Ponchoman pointed out, this is wider than his Sierra and I think its overall dimensions will be a little too much for most people. I would say the same for equally-large domestic pickups, but so far, Toyota isn't giving you the cab/bed configurations of the Big 3.

I could easily picture Zetsche in the cockpit of a Fokker triplane. Talk about a throwback look...

How does this differ from Toyota loyalists that try to explain away the failures of two generations of Avalon and two generations of mid/large trucks by saying "Toyota was just testing the waters?" It works both ways, but let's not throw red herrings around on all sides.

Sorry, but this is very, very doofy. The black patch on the rear looks like primer and overall its American Rice.

No one is this country expects much out of cars in this class anyway, so for this to be 'impressive' is hardly a challenge. That's the worst color to debut an economy car in, though. Seems decent - less welfare than the last Accent hatch and alot cleaner than the Rubbermaid Rio.

The wagon looks like an RL after it had a baby and lost a ton of fat.

LH2 is the 320-hp 4.6l Northstar found in the SRX, STS, and XLR

Carstar's been on the site for 14 hours and already made the front page. Thanks for the photos and welcome to the site!

Now that's the VW interior people remember from the 80s - bland and crap, or as elites say, 'avant-garde.'

I don't understand where any of you guys are coming from. When I choose a car, these things you deem 'nit-picks' are critical to my decision. Take the glovebox. If I open it and feel hard, coarse plastic on the reverse side of the handle, this is going to irritate me and cause me distress. What if I had tender skin? What if this grain is like sandpaper to my fragile epidermus and my flesh is torn from my fingers when I'm just trying to find my sunglasses? And what if I happen to be anemic and bleed uncontrollably from my wound, lose conciousness, and careen across the highway into a schoolbus full of children? This is a very real possibility for me. Take my own car for one. If I move the seat back far enough and raise the cushion high enough, I can sort of see one of the seat tracks. This is very disconcerting to me. Imagine you're driving along after vacuuming your car and you forget to return the passenger seat to its correct position. You glance down and that black, metal seat track catches your eye. "Oh my God!" you think, "Wha...what is that?" Is that the seat track? Are you sure? Some swatch of carpet didn't come lose and that's not part of the car itself? You're positive that last pothole you hit didn't knock some part of the frame up into the car? What if it is the frame? If its up here, then what's holding up the car? Are you going to die? And while you're spending time considering the possibilities, you careen across the highway into a schoolbus full of children. Again, a possibility as stark as it is realistic. How many Camries have you seen loged in a schoolbus full of children? How many Malibus? Exactly. I don't know about the rest of you, but that's the exact reason GM is losing market share today and I will not buy domestic again until these issue are resolved or until Consumer Reports says I can!

Doesn't Chrysler typically do this - lead with a great fullsize car and mediocre filler models underneath? Take the 1993 LH-cars. and the late-90s redo of them. Nice high-line products with junk beneath.

The sedan Bimmer posted is actually quite sharp, except the wheels and decals come off as ricey. I prefer go to show and sleepers to in-your-face screamers, so that's where that opinion comes from. I must admit the sedan is growing alot as of late to the point where I could say I like it. You'd never get me to buy one for its a Honda, but I do like its lines. Far better proportioned than the coupe, which is still Godawful by anyone's measure, perhaps the ugliest coupe ever.

One could easily say the current Tundra has attractiveness in its conservatism. Not for this one. Agreed with many that its paste-on macho with no sustance in the design.

So, can we stop counting Audi as a luxury manufacturer when it sells four times as many economy-priced cars as it does luxury cars?

I don't see a problem with the friendship and camraderie developed on this site. You can get the top stories anywhere and you can go to certain other sites and get lost in the mix. However, the MySpace-y stuff is over with. Or at least it better be. And I don't see a lack of professionalism outside the Lounge...which is why we have a Lounge. So...

See what happens when you cut incentives? http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13831219.htm Gerald Georgettis was accused of driving his vehicle into the Metro Ford dealership in Miami, then setting the showroom on fire Saturday afternoon, causing up to the $1 million in damages.

Same trashy Korean switchgear and awkward, Chinese-style fascia.

By the way, this was one of the best SNL - much less Celeb Jeopardy - skits EVER. http://www.youtube.com/?v=B_jk3PYRKLY

Agreed. Unappealing in profile, even though its a concept.

Its all about the Hamiltons, baby.

Onyx is a bad name for anything but onyx itself. As far as the truck. Wow. Nice bumpers. Its like an episode of Overhaulin' ended early and ran out of cash.

You two need to drop it. All I'm reading is unsubstantiated conjecture from both sides.

The stack is bad, the gauges look really bland and three-spokes suck for cars like this. Its a middle-aged female secretary's boulevardier whether they like it or not.