Flybrian

I'll do us one better, Enzora. In all honestly, this thread didn't need to originate in the first place. The wheels were set in motion months ago and everyone involved knew it. What's ignored by the original post is that we are - once again - on a new server adequately-funded and tendered by a group of people who truly care about Cheers and Gears beyond themselves. The curtain has fallen on this chapter. Thank you.

What the f@#k has this thread become?

It seems as if you're more concerned about basic transportation right now. In that case, just get the cheapest running car you can get that's in decent condition, like an A-body Cutlass Ciera or Century owned by some 87 year-old. Seriously. Its better off to get something decent now that will last you awhile than blow your money on a potential maintenance nightmare that looks absolutely fantastic...sitting dead in your yard...like your Grand Am.

About a week and a half.

Some of you may remember before... Now, here's $3700 after... And a cool one for my jet-lovin' buddies...

I think they made a special Moorehead version of that vehicle.

Its actually very cool aside from those tollboth windows. Its a lousy, cluttered look that almost ruins an otherwise slick design.

More Fits. Most godawful front end.

When Knightfan comes into this thread and reads how you all have been making fun of his newest Monte, you all are going to feel really bad...

One of the last real American sedans. Stately, elegant, looking twice as expensive as she was. You could never feel ashamed driving one of them. A believe me, a Park Avenue Ultra was in the running when I was looking for a car. Finding a loaded and pampered '97-00 Ultra down here with under 50,000 miles for less than $10k is not a challenge at all. O.C., its funny you mention the heritage of the Park Avenue name because out of all the recent nameplates Buick used, it probably had the least history. However, considering it really made a name for itself with the '91 PA, it deserved to live longer than it did. For 1991, that was an incredibly beautiful car.

Let us know if you have any problems with any aspect of the site. Thanks!

I would like to ask everyone to go back to the first page and read through Venseattle's post. It sums things up in a very proper and accurate fashion. I do, however, feel the need to respond. By Josh's own admission, he isn't paying a cent for the site. Rather, the past three months and next one month of site hosting is funded by those who graciously donated to Cheers and Gears. Now, Josh, you can claim that you've had to pay 'bandwidth overages' amounting to a figure you quote to be 'several hundred dollars,' but the fact is Voyage Hosting has never charged us a nickel for exceeding our bandwidth (something we've done only twice recently). I know because I had a conversation with the gentleman in charge of running our server. Josh's posts regarding his own resignation speak for themselves. Not only was this done to the moderators, but also to the membership in general following the Outlook debacle. It was up to myself with the generous help of the other moderators to pick up when Josh abandoned the site and continue the vital things such as updates, purchasing spy photographs, revising the site, and most importantly stepping up to pay for new host. In regards to funding, let me make this crystal clear - we consider the original PayPal donation account to be empty because Josh refused to provide any detailed information regarding its balance to the rest of the Admins and Mods, a team that he trusted enough to run the site when he resigned. The 2-year pre-paid cost of the new host amounts to approximately $385.00, a bill a half dozen of us including myself paid. That last statement isn't meant to draw sympathy or thanks for us. Its meant to show that C&G is a true hobby for us, something for which we gain no tangible reward for the time, energy, and money we put into it. We know this going every day and yet we donate a good amount of the aformentioned towards it knowing that our only reward is the ability to log into the site the next day and the day after that. Josh, I don't exactly see why you're so surprised about what has happened. I'm sure you really enjoyed being here in the past, but something happened to you. You let the personal vendettas get the best of you and its very clear. You resigned both publically and privately. You left this site with absolutely no leadership and questionable leadership prior to your fifth and final quitting. It took days and weeks and months to get scraps of information necessary for us to continue pressing forth with C&G. As for respect, its clear you have none for us. You went behind our backs to run stories that you know will have to be pulled. You join other message boards to continue your personal feuds, ignoring any consequences it has for C&G. And you told me personally through IM not so long ago that "I'm f@#king sick of most of the Mods and if I'm ever back in charge, 7 of them will be gone in a second." And this, the most recent of multiple instances where you've threatened to take the board offline... ...shows your true colors.This will be my final word on the subject, not because I can't fight the battle, but because there is no battle to be fought. Josh resigned, we're moving a new Josh-free server, Walt will continue to own C&G, I will continue to be the Administrator, the other staff will continue staffing, discussions will continue, news will be posted, Toyotas will still suck, BV and Ocn will still be gay, and life will go on. For everyone, I truly do thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the support you've given us in every way. We honestly do this all for you guys, and you guys have made it very, very worth it.

Man, those wheels don't look right on any of those cars.

If you noticed, the PayPal link has been changed since Josh is no longer part of the site aside from being a member. The financial end is being spearheaded by myself with Ven, Z, and Camino assisting me. All of the current Administrators and Moderators have access to our PayPal account and therefore we have accountability for where the money goes. Just to clear up any misconceptions...

I wouldn't mind more opinions on the first item you bring up. As for the second item, the videos just need to be coalesced in a better fashion. Several individual Buick commercial videos should be combined in one topic, for example. Some should just be posted in a general Chevrolet Video topic, again, for example. Some, well, I really don't care about a 1998 Renault and I think most people don't either.

Wait...I think its time for a... For no Lounge thread is complete without a...

Well, I'm sure all twelve people are happy with them.

Zed-Oh-Six. Ha!

9 cubic feet of trunk space in a car that chunky sounds pretty bad to me.

Watch us get the horsecollar grille. Just watch. Ruins the whole car.

SH-TEC SHTEC $h!EC Its too easy, Honda. Fix it. Then come back.

^^^ Ditto Whatever, Sixty. You don't find it funny that he shoots it with a shotgun? C'mon.

Oldsmobile would've turned GM around. That's my belief and I stick to it. Unlike Saturn, it had poise, presence, class, and the history of being at the pinnicle of automotive technology.

Welcome to Choppin' Competition #20! Have you ever seen a Ford, a Volkswagen, a Nissan, or anything and thought, "with a few minor modifications, that would make a great Chevrolet/Buick/etc."? Well...do it! Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to choose a recent non-General Motors vehicle and modify it create a vehicle that would be offered by a GM division. Remember, this can be any of GM's current sales channels, including SAAB, HUMMER, Holden, Opel, and Vauxhall. Aside from the same 800x600 size guidelines, choose any image you'd like. Here are some sourcesAutodeadline The winner will recieve a GM-related prize! Deadline is Friday, May 26th @ 11:59PM your local time. Good luck!

LordStafford was cool until that Byebmw thing started. I still have no idea why he defended Byebmw so much. As for Lauren, your guess is as good as mine.