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Wow. That's nice. As many as you want, but remember, quality > quantity

Very nice. I had an '05 Aero as a loaner for three days. Nice car with alot of features. Congratulations!

And yet those little touches turned a Caprice with a tuned engine from geriatric and undesirable into hotness.

What a stylish, reliable, desirable car this pair would end up making!

Its that $h!box Dodge again!

Some say the market is oversaturated with large crossovers, I say the market is full of models that don't sell well because they're either junk, overpriced, or overpriced junk.

It is. :AH-HA_wink:

Thank you. You don't know how weird and annoying it is to get into a relatively loaded car only to be met with clutter on one side and a deadplate on the other.

I'm interested in Evok's other laws. I heard one of them corrolates smelling it to having dealt it.

NYC has tons of undeniable American charm.

GM touts sweeter financing deals Instead of last year's employee discounts for all, more cash rebates, 0% loans are on tap. Link to original article @ DetNews.com Brett Clanton / The Detroit News General Motors Corp. will launch discount programs today for six of its eight vehicle brands to pump up sales on the back end of the busy summer selling season. The program will feature new cash incentives on select 2007 models and a menu of zero-percent financing options on remaining 2006 models that may turn out to be well-timed. In the face of rising interest rates, a growing number of car buyers are choosing attractive financing deals over other discounts, new research shows. With the promotion -- which includes Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac, GMC, Saab and Saturn -- GM is resisting reviving last year's hugely successful employee-pricing-for-everyone offer. For now, the automaker is sticking with a new strategy that favors more realistic sticker prices over profit-eating incentives, even as its sales and market share continue to slip. The strategy is part of a sweeping plan to overhaul GM's North American auto business, which accounted for much of the company's $10.6 billion loss last year. But GM has taken its lumps for pulling back on incentives as rivals go full-throttle with deals. Through June, GM's sales are down 12 percent and its U.S. market share has fallen to 24.1 percent, from 26.8 percent a year ago, according to Autodata Corp. But GM is making the right moves to fix its business, even if the process is painful now, said Tom Libby of J.D. Power and Associates' Power Information Network. "When you adopt that program, you're going to see short-term struggling," he said. "But what they're doing is right on the money." The new incentives come as GM prepares to report second-quarter earnings next week. Analysts are expecting the automaker to report a loss for the three months that ended June 30, mainly due to writing down the costs associated with 35,000 workers taking cash buyouts and early retirement offers. But GM Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner expects earnings to increase after the second quarter. "We need to look behind that and look at the underlying business," Wagoner told reporters at the London auto show Tuesday. "We hope to continue to drive for significantly improved results." Some analysts expect to see signs of progress in GM's second quarter results. Brad Rubin, an auto industry analyst with BNP Paribas in New York, said that, excluding the buyout charges, GM earnings "are probably better than people think." The improvement is due partly to lower incentive spending and less dependence on fleet sales, although those gains could be offset by a surge in raw material costs and lower production volumes. "More than likely it will be a down quarter, but it won't be as severe as last year," Rubin said. "GM is in a much better position." GM's new summer sales promotion runs through Sept. 5 and is chiefly aimed at clearing out the last of the 2006 models, said John McDonald, a GM spokesman. In keeping with a push to better distinguish GM's brands, he said, the automaker today will launch advertising for the discounts that is different for each participating brand. Saturn's program, for instance, lets customers subtract 10 percent from the sum of the sticker price and destination charges, or choose other GM discounts. Other brands will pitch rebates and financing deals. Cadillac and Hummer will not get new ads because their discounts launched earlier in July. While the summer promotion mainly targets 2006 models, it will extend new cash and financing offers on some 2007 full-size SUVs and pickups, but no zero-percent interest deals. But the central piece of the promotion is free financing for 36 months on many 2006 models. A select number of 2006 models will be eligible for free financing for 60 months, while GM will extend a zero-percent-for-72-months offer on big SUVs and pickups. Competitive financing offers coupled with rising interest rates have spurred more consumers to finance vehicles rather than pay cash or lease, and to choose lower interest rates over other deals. In the first nine days of July, more than 66 percent of new car buyers opted to finance, up from about 55 percent typically, said J.D. Power's Libby said. GM dealers say they got a big boost early this month from the automaker's 72-hour sale over the Fourth of July weekend that offered zero-percent financing deals on a range of models. That program brought GM within striking distance of its sales goal for July, dealers said. But the automaker's July sales are still expected to show a steep decline from last year's employee pricing-fueled boom. New deals at GM *Free financing for 36 months on many 2006 vehicles and for 60 months on select 2006 models *$2,000 trade-in assistance on '07 Chevy Tahoe, Suburban, Avalanche, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL *At Saturn, 10 percent off sum of sticker price and destination charge *At Saab, $500 bonus cash offer extended on 2006 9-3 2.0T sedan and 9-7X sport utility *$1,000 cash for GM employees, suppliers and dealers on '06 midsize SUVs You can reach Brett Clanton at (313) 222-2612 or [email protected].

Guys, c'mon, this isn't appropriate. Take the arguments elsewhere please.

Probably for the best. :AH-HA_wink:

Another reason to add to my list that Canadians are weird.

Commerical filming of some sort?

If its the new one, I'll read it if you Red X the pics. Thanks for coming on here anyway...hope you do check back in every now and then because as you can see, we're pretty passionate about cars, too. P.S. I've got you beat. I'm 21 and drive an Oldsmobile.

Even in the very small world of domestic luxury cars, the Town Car was extrodinarily mediocre until very recently, compared to the DeVille, and I still don't understand why a car of its price doesn't have stability control, especially a luxury car, especially a Lincoln. Ocn, In direct contrast, the SHO has earned lots of fans but I suspected the Maurauder will remain one of those unlamented unknows forever. Again, its more to do with the overall car than just the powertrain configuration. Remember the big hoopla about Chrysler bringing back afforable rear-wheel drive and V8 power? It was there all the time. It was called the Crown Vic and no one cared. Also, take even Caprice vs. Crown Vic when they coexisted. The Caprice was a superior car in almost every way. In many fashions, it still is, showing again, its the car as a whole, not just what wheels move it.

My point exactly. And actually, to the contrary, Ford put some sort of effort(??) into the Maurader, but no one cared. Why? The result was still mediocre. Some people -ahem- act as if RWD itself will sell a car in spite of obvious deficiencies. It won't. That's proof.

Certainly in price, but it has more in common with the Highlander in terms of weight, dimensions, and capacities. I see the VUE as a more livable CUV, something Toyota clearly realizes with the upsized RAV4. This says less of the Highlander than anything of the VUE if it represents the Toyota division's best family crossover attempt mainly because its both too small and too large for either category. Saturn pegged it just right. What first-generation crossover wasn't a bit weird? But what the Rendezvous lacked in outright exterior beauty it more than made up for in dimensions and price. Its success came at drastically undercutting the 'upscale' competition while delivering some of the more elegant looks and certainly the luxury features at thousands below the RX and MDX. Today, there are multitudes of midsized crossovers offering more room and more features for less-than-luxury money.I would also mention the SRX because, while Cadillac didn't start the trend of a great-handling SUV, it wasn't very far behind either (by one model year) and the result is fantastic. Fault the interior if you will, but not the road prowess.

Disagree. Saturn VUE and Buick Rendezvous were both out pretty early and were among the first mainstream CUVs that weren't too small (RAV4) or too expensive (M-Class).

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Cheers and Gears Exclusive 2008 Buick Enclave (GMT-967) Cheers and Gears has paid for the rights to use these photos. Please link to the URL OF THIS TOPIC AND NOT HOTLINK OR REHOST THE IMAGES if you wish to share! Thank you! The above are some of the best photos of the production Enclave we've seen so far and we're happy to report that its not that exciting. Why? Because it looks quite identical to the stunning concept vehicle first shown seven months ago at Detroit. The instrument panel consists of a five-pack of round gauges like the concept along with the cabin-wide swath of wood trim nestled atop metallic accent of equal length. Chrome bezeling encircles the round outer air vents and console cupholders and its clear by the abundance of the chrome and wood that this is a more luxurious vehicle. Outside, this Enclave rides signature Buick multispoke alloy wheels with telltale center caps removed. High-intensity discharge xenon headlamps in carefully jeweled housings grace the rounded front fascia. Our sources indicated this Buick will feature the adaptive headlamp technology now on several Cadillac models. Though you can't see the rear, we can tell you it retains the jeweled taillamps of the concept as well as their shape. One noticable difference with the Enclave is the window pillar on the rear side glass. Underneath, Enclave will ride on MacPherson struts up front and a multi-link setup in the rear. As with its sister Lambdas, it will feature GM's High Feature 3.6l V6 engines at rollout with a UV8 option in a likely 'Reserve' or 'Super' trim for MY2009. Also like the Outlook and Acadia, it will feature GM's 6-speed automatic transmission in all trims and have available AWD. Production starts in March or April of 2007 for a 2008 model year introduction. Cheers and Gears strives to bring you the latest spyshots and information while remaining member-supported with no annoying advertising. Like what you see? Consider donating to help C&G continue to give you the latest exclusive GM info on the 'net! Click below to contribute securely!

I think the bad engine part in the Echo is taking up 1.5l of space right under the hood. This is just funny. One thing. No claims about biased press can be made for this article at all. Says it all.

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