AxelTheRed

Detroit shouldn't be worried. Just saying "Chinese car" aloud makes me wary of any vehicles coming from them.

Not to mention that GM's factories in Germany were seized when the war started. They had no control over what was going on in those plants.

So the domestics have like two thirds of the votes on that survey right now. If only their marketshare was such...

Wow. GM's going to steal the show this year at NAIAS, that's for sure.

I'm not seeing where its fair that only the unionized workers should have to face benefit cuts. Everyone working for that company should be responsible for helping the company back on its feet. And it would be nice to see the executives cut back on their big extravagent bonuses too. Maybe even cut back a little on their salaries (The only executive that had the balls to do that was Wagoner and that's peanuts to the dollar a year Iacocca took when he was helping Chrysler back up)...if anything it would be a show of good faith to the workers.

Call me crazy, but I think the talks would go better if GM made EVERYONE in the company take some concessions on benefits and whatnot, not just the unionized workers.

Well, lah-dee-dah, Scion. Try again.

Killing off Oldsmobile kind of thew GM's product core out of whack. Having to plug the hole with Saturn still feels awkward, regardless of how great the cars are, and it will be a long time before Saturn achieves the kind of entry-level luxury image that Oldsmobile had (although, let's hope Saturn doesn't suffer from the "old person's car" perception like Olds did).

Other than breaking ground being the first vehicle with LED headlights, there's nothing exceptionally special about it to me.

Its nice to finally know that the Lambdas really are a big step in the right direction from GM.

Oh Ford, you big tease. At least we can dream that FoMoCo will decide this is a production-worthy vehicle. Just once I'd like to see them not wuss out and actually SELL something this cool.

Can someone explain to me why we're all complaining about these minivans being ugly/boring? What the hell were you expecting? They're minivans.

That idiot drove a car that problematic a few HUNDRED MILES?!? This guy obviously had a serious agenda on his mind.

We already had a thread for the most overrated cars, so I thought we should also have a thread for the very underrated or forgotten cars and companies thoughout history. Personally, its Pierce-Arrow that gets the gold star for the greatest forgotten US automotive treasure. The cars equaled the prestige of Rolls-Royce and Duesenberg and were popular with foreign royalty (the rulers of Japan, Persia, Saudi Arabia and Belgium owned Pierce-Arrows). But, like so many other car companies, it disappeared during the Depression.

Yeah, I've only seen one. I was on the expressway, saw it and did a double take to make sure I wasn't imagining it.

Bashing Oldsmobile.

Maybe Daimler-Benz is looking for another merger of equals...or as equal as a small, relatively new company can look against the world's fifth largest automaker.

A big reason Toyota can count on that many sales is because so many people up in the northern US don't understand that hybrids really aren't built for this kind of climate.

I like the Viper...but it could've been upgraded more.

Never argued that they're not recognizable to people who remember the original, but MORE people recognize the styling cues from the Challenger, or better yet, the Camaro concept or the PT cruiser...and even more so in the VW Beetle...hence why those cars have been in the limelight and the FJ Cruiser really hasn't been. Its just that more people don't recognize it...it doesn't hold nearly the same symbolic value as the others. That's all I really tried to get across.

Not what I meant. Americans like the Detroit retro because its recognizable. Toyota coming out with retro styled vehicles isn't and won't draw the attention like, say, the Challenger concept did.

Freaking OUCH, dude.

I think the funniest thing about the FJ Cruiser is that Toyota seems to have jumped on the retro-styling bandwagon with it without realizing that the only retro-styling people in America actually give a crap about comes from Detroit.

Well this is a big ol' "duh".

Surprise? Its not as if no one saw this coming.