Oracle of Delphi

Somehow I don't think you would make a good fit within GM's corporate culture, or anyones for that matter! :AH-HA_wink:

You have to stop licking those toilet seats, they are not giant lifesavers!

Sorry to hear about your husband problems, his loss is our gain, welcome back!

I'm glad it's over, his commercials were dumb anyway. I remember the one where he locked his keys in the vehicle. He had to call OnStar to unlock his vehicle and he said "OnStar can do that"? Come on, you've been associated with GM for a few years and you're just finding that out? :rotflmao:

Thin Crust, with Cheese, Pepperoni, Mushrooms and Black Olives. or Thin Crust, with Cheese, Pineapple and Ham.

I like that idea, I'll be home until 12/7/08. I could bring the 07 Grand Prix GXP and show them a V8 with Active Fuel Management or the 69 Custom-S and show them GM durability.

Happy Birthday Fly!

Pssst! It's going to be CPF taking over! :AH-HA_wink:

Easier just to link it for me: http://www.cheersandgears.com/index.php?sh...bassy&st=20

Well now that I know you and Madame Palm and her 5 daughters will be with you, I don't feel as bad. As for me, I'm a Vegan, I don't eat meat.

I didn't know quite where to put this, so admins feel free to move it. I don't think GM knows how to play the game of Washington politics, and by not knowing has made a huge mistake. Yeah we all know they shouldn't have flown to DC in their corporate jets, we also all know they are not looking for a bailout, but instead are looking for a loan, but what I'm talking about transcends even that. What I'm talking about is this: GM is being outflanked by the Germans, Koreans, Japanese and very soon by the Chinese and Indians. What I mean by that is for every plant/site GM shuts down outside of Michigan, they lose their two US Senator's and their US Representative's VOTES, they have from said state. GM should have kept the plants in NJ, GA, OK, MA, PA, etc, and kept those federal legislators on GM's side. GM is on the verge of losing votes in MN, LA and DE too. All the while their foreign competition, builds plants/sites in new states to garner the votes of those federal legislators in those new states they have set up shop in. Instead of GM pulling back to its central core of Michigan/Ohio/Indiana, GM should have taken steps to keep plants and sites alive and well in other states too, by doing so, GM could have had more help in Congress than it currently has, and may have been able to turn the tide in it's favor last week when it went there to seek a loan. Instead we see it's competition setting up plants in SC, AL, MS etc, guess who those federal legislators will be pulling for? Well it's not GM! I know in my home state of Delaware, we have a Chrysler plant and a GM plant, our US Senators and lone Congressman always fought tooth and nail for those plants, but once those plants are gone, do you really think they will fight for GM and Chrysler? Not a chance. Delaware's Chrysler plant shuts down 12/31/08. GM loses a shift on 12/8/08 and I fear for that plant after 2011 or even sooner. Sad really sad!

John Cortez Automotive News November 24, 2008 - 3:34 pm ET Dear Mr. Moore: Let me start by stating upfront that I'm a lifelong Michigander and a contract employee of General Motors. I should also add that, unlike many at GM, I have long been a fan of your work, the work of a man I had considered to be about truth, and truth-telling, even when it hurts, and hurts so bad it's funny in a pathetic sort of way. On "Larry King Live" last week, you didn't tell the truth, and it left me flabbergasted. In your defense, I think you did it out of ignorance, not malice. But it was an untruth nonetheless, and one that will have very damaging ramifications for Detroit and for the nation. When is the last time you were in a showroom of new GM products? Or Ford or Chrysler for that matter? I'd guess years, if not decades. And yet, you felt comfortable going on CNN and disparaging the current roster of cars and trucks from GM, calling them "crap," "the wrong vehicles," and implying that they're the same old garbage that no one wants to buy! It was hugely irresponsible and couldn't have come at a worse time for our home state. Yes, many of the products of the past were in fact garbage. I was a journalist for AutoWeek magazine through most of the '90s, and I drove every car and truck from every manufacturer on the planet, and the GM products were, with the exception of the Corvette, largely lousy. However, Mr. Moore, this is 2008. Have you been in a new Chevrolet Malibu? It's better than anything Toyota or Honda has, gets better mileage, won North American Car of the Year, and is built by the UAW in America. Have you seen the Buick Enclave? Gotta be the best-looking crossover on the market, is selling like crazy, even though "no one" wants GM products, and is built by the UAW in Lansing. Have you driven a Cadillac CTS-V? Even the highly discriminating German press says it's the best-performing luxury sports sedan on the global market today. It's built by the UAW in Lansing. The point is, whether you care to admit it or not, right now GM's product house is IN ORDER. It has the best lineup of cars and trucks, top to bottom, it has ever had. Honest to God. The influential automotive press, across the country and around the world, has realized it, and it is only a matter of time until the public does as well. The newest models had been selling well, and the restructuring already under way had been taking hold, and Wall Street had noticed. The stock price was $43 just a year ago. That's a sure sign that Wall Street approved of the changes in progress. Then the credit market collapsed, and GM could get no financing to continue business, and most of its customers could get no loans to buy vehicles. And that is where things stand now. Is the weak balance sheet at GM as compared to Toyota and others the fault of past mismanagement, poor products and legacy burdens, and at least partially self-inflicted? You betcha, as the governor of Alaska might say. Absolutely. The company, with an assist from the federal government (national health care, anyone?), bears some of the blame for putting itself in this precarious position. Is it to blame for the catastrophic events of THIS year? No. Wall Street is, and it's getting $700 billion in handouts, no questions asked. Wall Street executives flew down there in their own jets to get it and no one batted an eye. Now the auto industry is in D.C., with its collective hand out, asking for a pittance by comparison -- $25 billion, in LOANS, not bailout money -- and getting hammered left and right and criticized on national TV because of it. Your irresponsible comments will only fuel the fires of hatred that burn for the Big 3 and for Detroit. And since we all know that politicians don't put cream in their coffee without first consulting the polls, we know how this is going to go down. America doesn't want to lend money to the auto industry, so Congress won't. And we'll all go down in flames here in Michigan. The UAW you claim to support so strongly will be SOL. Downtown Detroit, which has worked so hard at coming back, will be a literal ghost town, instead of the after-5 p.m. ghost town it largely is now. Restaurants, salons, shops, everything in southeast Michigan will close, and the ripple effect will begin, and spread across America, and it will be horrific. I don't see how to avoid it, if we don't get this bridge loan. But I know what I'd like to see, and that is for you to go on TV or write a blog or say something somewhere that indicates you've seen GM's new vehicles. Test drive a Cadillac CTS and tell the UAW workers in Lansing what you think of the vehicle they work so hard to build. It may be the last one they get a chance to make. It's that bad. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why the rest of America is so indifferent to the fate of our home state. Drop dead, they are telling us. Do you have any idea why? This isn't about helping the three CEOs you saw sitting on the witness bench on Capitol Hill; this is about keeping this region -- and ultimately this nation --from economic apocalypse. I apologize for the long letter. This is fairly important stuff. The city and state I love are on the brink of becoming a wasteland. America can help us, but doesn't want to and doesn't care. Any idea how that feels? Sincerely, John John Cortez is a former reporter for AutoWeek, a sister publication of Automotive News. He now is vice president of executive communications for Hass MS&L Public Relations, which does contract work for General Motors. Link: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...paign_id=alerts

How sad for you to spend it alone, that is just not right.

Yeah, you're right, GMNA is sinking the ship! Back @ u!

Leaving for the USA Tuesday afternoon, I'm having all of my family at the Bö®gÉr compound in Delaware. We will be hunkered down behind the gates of my community. I don't return to Europe until 12/8/08.

What do you mean you're not sending the Pontiac (cough, cough, Holden) G8 to Washington? Don't hide the dirty laundry, let Congress see it all.

Bizarre

a continent away Ralph Kisiel Automotive News November 24, 2008 - 12:01 am ET GREENSBURG, Ind. — The dark cloud that hangs menacingly over Detroit seemed light-years away on Monday, Nov. 17, as Honda Motor Co. CEO Takeo Fukui celebrated the opening of an assembly plant here. While the Detroit 3 CEOs set off to Washington to beg for a bailout package, about 1,000 new Honda employees clapped along to Van Morrison's "Bright Side of the Road" blaring from speakers. The celebration of Honda's sixth assembly plant in North America seemed a continent away from troubled Detroit, where each day seems to bring more bad news for General Motors, Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC. At a time when some automakers are closing assembly plants and laying off thousands of employees, Fukui dedicated Honda's new $550 million investment on what was 1,700 acres of farmland just two years ago. As the Detroit 3 battle to remain in business next year, Honda's Fukui reminded employees and government guests that this gala was just a jump-start on Honda's 50th anniversary of business operations in America, another celebration to look forward to in 2009. Employees watched as Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels choked up as he recalled how he sat in a Tokyo hotel room on a spring night in 2006 waiting for the call from Honda with news that Indiana had won the big prize. Honda says that it received combined state and local government incentives valued at $73.6 million to put the plant in Greensburg. 'A very challenging time' The employees cheered as the Indiana plant's Japanese president, Yuzo Uenohara, drove a dark 2009 Civic up to the podium, carrying three beaming employees with him. In Fukui's only nod to the economic turmoil in the United States and his competitors' plight in Detroit, he noted that the new plant has begun operation "at a very challenging time" with a "difficult economy and increasing competition." He added that these challenging times also represent opportunity for Honda and its fuel-efficient Civic. When the festivities concluded, Fukui was whisked away from a large contingent of newspaper, TV and radio reporters. Fukui left perhaps the day's most important message to a corporate affairs officer attending from Honda's offices in Torrance, Calif. The message: While Honda celebrates, it does understand the need of Congress to examine some form of support for the Detroit 3. Honda supports measures that would maintain the short- and long-term viability and stability of the auto industry. But Honda also knows it's good to be on the bright side of the road. Link: http://www.autonews.com/article/20081124/A...paign_id=alerts

US carmaker asks Germany for €1 billion-plus and seeks funds in UK, Belgium and Sweden! John Revill Automotive News Europe November 24, 2008 06:01 CET General Motors Europe is reaching out beyond Germany in search of government help to avoid a liquidity crisis if its US parent goes bankrupt. Informal approaches are being made to governments in Poland, Belgium, Spain and the UK, Automotive News Europe has learned. GM has car assembly factories in all of the countries where it seeks aid. Last week, GM Europe's management met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel to ask for more than €1 billion in loan guarantees to finance the development and assembly facilities of its Opel subsidiary in Germany if GM goes bankrupt. Positive feedback from UK Meanwhile, British MP Andrew Miller said there had been contact between GM and the UK government. He said the talks likely involve support for funding to develop environmentally friendly vehicles. Said Miller: "If the recession continues and it becomes necessary for GM to have financial support in the UK, it is something I would support." Miller represents Ellesmere Port in northwest England, where GM builds the Astra lower-medium car. GM also has made contact with the government in Sweden, the home country of GM's Saab brand. Jan-Ake Jonsson, Saab managing director, said both Saab and Volvo have talked with the Swedish government. He declined to say whether Saab has asked for money or loan guarantees in the talks. GM insiders say local officials have been talking to European governments to find out what help might be available. "Where we have a large manufacturing presence we want to talk to the governments," a GM source told ANE. Rudi Kennes, vice chairman of GM's union, said he was speaking to GM management in Belgium about approaching the Belgian government for funding to support the carmaker's plant in Antwerp. He said the talks focused on bringing forward Antwerp's production start date for a Corsa-based small SUV, which has been postponed by a year to 2012. An investment of €100 million to €120 million will be needed to bring the launch date of the vehicle forward to January 2011. "We need this money to ensure the long-term future of the Antwerp factory," Kennes said. On November 17, GM Europe President Carl-Peter Forster, Opel Managing Director Hans Demant and Klaus Franz, chairman of Opel's works council, met with Germany's Merkel in Berlin. Franz said Opel had to assume that its cash flow would be frozen if GM applied for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the US. "At the moment we're solvent, but we need a state guarantee to refinance our investments," he said, referring to 20 new models GM Europe plans to introduce by 2012. Link: http://www.autonews.com/article/20081124/ANE03/811239900

An Open Letter to G. Richard Wagoner, Jr., Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, General Motors Corporation From Randal Charlton, Executive Director of TechTown, the Wayne State University Research and Technology Park – www.techtownwsu.org – in Detroit, one of Michigan’s 16 high technology business incubation and economic development parks November 21, 2008 Dear Mr. Wagoner: Congress has asked you and the rest of the Detroit auto industry to come back by December 2 with a plan that can help your companies survive as well as serve the interests of the taxpayers. Detroit was once the business heartbeat of America. Now, unfortunately, to some outside the state, it is almost a dirty word; so you face an enormous challenge in obtaining support from congress. Here’s a plan that can quickly reestablish Detroit and Michigan as an innovative leader in the economic recovery of the United States. Your challenge, I believe, is to frame your December solution as an answer to our overall economic problems, not just a bailout of the auto industry. Members of congress and other recognize that the auto industry is shrinking and no matter how well you craft your industry recovery plan, jobs will continue to be lost and Michigan’s economy will continue to decline. Unemployment, currently hovering close to 9 per cent, is expected to increase. Under any scenario it may be challenging to sell the current inventory of cars at a profit let alone the next generation of fuel efficient vehicles which are likely to be high ticket items. Taxpayers may see more pink slips even if an electrifying new auto industry emerges. So, Mr. Wagoner, I suggest you go back to Congress with a proposal that allocates only $20 billion of the $25 billion to the auto industry. The other $5 billion should be spent on a number of projects in Detroit and Michigan that will be, in effect, an insurance bet that Congress may find really appealing. The $5 billion should be allocated as follows; 1. $1 billion to commercialize new products and industries from technology that has been developed in the auto industry but could be spun out to other industries. 2. $1 billion on Michigan’s life science industry. 3. $1 billion on refurbishing shuttered manufacturing facilities in Detroit to accommodate new industries from overseas. 4. $1 billion develop alternatives to fossil fuels. 5. $500 million to developing technology related to the world’s most precious resource- fresh water 6. $500 million to commercialize new technology that is emerging from Michigan’s universities. The fact is that underneath all the red ink and despair emanating from Detroit and Michigan, the state and the city has been building, over the last several years, an effective infrastructure that can put this $5 billion to work immediately to create new jobs. The organizations and systems are in place to manage these funds, measure performance and be accountable for the results. The auto industry has supported this effort. Let me make just one point in support of each of these budget items: 1. $1 billion on auto industry spin outs. The auto industry has a treasure trove of technology that can be applied to other industries such as medical devices, the plastics industry, public health and green technology. We have two companies at TechTown doing just this but at the moment this technology is largely sitting on the shelf while the auto industry understandably focuses on survival. 2. $1 billion on life sciences Back in 1999, then Governor Engler committed to investing $1 billion in building a life science industry over 20 years. Progress has been made. For example all drug companies need biological samples to discover and test new drugs. We are building a world center of biobanking excellence at TechTown in Detroit. 3. $1 billion on refurbishing buildings for overseas companies. We cannot replace the job losses in the auto industry fast enough with new business start-ups. Therefore we have to attract established businesses from overseas. Our Governor has been traveling the world to persuade high tech companies to locate in Michigan from countries such as Sweden, Japan and Israel. At TechTown we recently signed an agreement with the Mexican government to bring high tech companies to Detroit. Over 20 companies have arrived and more want to come – from China, India and Eastern Europe. We can provide low cost facilities for these industries in the dozens of sturdy empty buildings that exist in Detroit. Many of these facilities are actually owned by the auto industry and are currently a useless asset. And the foreign workers will be attracted by the fact that we have some of the most inexpensive homes for sale in the western world. 4. $1 billion on alternative energy. In Michigan we have enough wind to make T. Boone Pickens take a deep breath. Governor Granholm has made the challenge of harnessing wind and other sources of energy a key part of her recovery program. At TechTown, the state has a well-established research facility – called NextEnergy – that is supporting the development statewide of everything from alternative fuels to new ways of harnessing the abundance of wind in Michigan. I do not need to remind you the auto industry is supporting much of this work. 5. $500 million on clean water technology. We are on the edge of the Great Lakes, which constitute one-fifth of the world’s fresh water. As everyone knows, life does not exist without water. Earlier this year the respected Brookings Institute set out a detailed case for the next United States president to focus on establishing America’s leadership in clean water technology. At Wayne State University, the University of Michigan and elsewhere in the Detroit region, important work is being done that can lead to new ways of making the best use of this precious resource. 6. $250 million on commercializing new technology. Plenty of well managed funds have been established elsewhere in Michigan in recent years but they lack the necessary capital to back all the good ideas that are flowing from Michigan’s universities. At TechTown, for example, we have companies in life sciences, educational services and spin outs from the auto industry that could grow quickly with additional funding. A fund of funds has recently been established in Detroit and a respected director appointed. He could quickly put $250 million to work. Finally $250 million should be invested in developing the business incubator programs to support new business start-ups. Over the last several years the state has poured resources into establishing TechTown and fifteen other business incubators to nurture new companies based on new technology. We have a team of professionals working to provide assistance in all aspects of business development and they are backed by a growing team of former executives of the auto industry and elsewhere who serve as valuable mentors to our fledging entrepreneurs. Mr. Wagoner, you might remind Congress that while he was still a senator, President-elect Barrack Obama recognized that most new jobs are created by new companies and he introduced a bill to provide support to business incubators across the country. We can help our new president and the country discover the next Google or the cure of cancer. Mr. Wagoner, as you make your case, I suggest you emphasize that your plan will solve a much larger problem. Back in May at the 2008 annual economic conference run by the Detroit Regional Chamber, economic experts presented detailed analyses to show how other states across the nation had recovered from economic troubles. In summary the experts said it doesn’t matter whether states are hot or cold, east, west, north or south, economic recovery must include a major effort on the largest city. In our case that is Detroit. You should also point out that the building where TechTown is creating new life, energy and jobs was once owned by General Motors. You generously gave it to Wayne State University, and the university, with help from the city, the state and Michigan foundations, has already joined you in beginning the process of diversifying the economy and driving Detroit in a new direction. One of your colleagues from General Motors sits on TechTown’s Board, and even in these challenging times is working hard to support our efforts to diversify the economy into areas that are important to the entire country. Congress should know that you and your colleagues have a broader, higher goal than that of saving an industry under siege. Yours sincerely, Randal Charlton Link: http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20081.../811239995/1079

Rick Wagoner's 31-year career may fall victim to the mistakes of the industry and of his own making, even if General Motors Corp. survives. The GM chief executive officer prompted scrutiny of his record by asking for a government bailout to keep the Detroit automaker in business. Now, his departure may be a necessary condition of any federal rescue, business leaders and lawmakers say. "Management needs to be replaced," said Robert Crandall, former chairman and CEO of American Airlines parent AMR Corp. "The fact is that the management as a whole has had lots of opportunities to fix this. They haven't." Mr. Wagoner has run the world's largest automaker for the past eight years, presiding over $73 billion in losses beginning in 2005. He already endured a fight with dissident shareholders and several failed turnarounds and may argue that he knows the company better than most who could take his job. The 55-year-old executive joined GM in 1977, as U.S. automakers were fending off Japanese competitors who recognized the need a decade earlier to build fuel-efficient vehicles. Although U.S. auto sales broke records during Mr. Wagoner's years as CEO, the three major producers - Ford Motor Co., Chrysler LLC and GM - battled high labor costs from pension and retiree health care obligations. "There's the feeling that next to financial services, automotive execs are the dumbest people in the world," said Thomas Stallkamp, a former Chrysler president who joined the car company in 1980, when it received emergency government loans. "There are probably some symbolic moves that somebody's going to ask for." The federal government insisted on replacing the CEOs of American International Group Inc., Fannie Mae and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp. (Freddie Mac) when they received aid. Lawmakers including Sen. Sherrod Brown, Ohio Democrat, said some executives may have to go before GM and the other U.S. automakers receive $25 billion in new government loans. "It's pretty clear that management has made some pretty bad decisions over the last 20 years," Mr. Brown said, adding that changing management is something that Congress must "think seriously about." Mr. Wagoner won't offer to resign, he told Automotive News. Mr. Wagoner has presided over $73 billion in GM losses since 2005, lost 6 percent in market share and suffered a stock decline of 95 percent. (Allison Shelley/The Washington Times) "It's not clear to me what purpose would be served," he said. "Our job is to make sure we have the best management team to run GM." Link: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/2...ose-top-gm-job/

If GM ever does sell Saab, I hope it's to BMW, as I have my own personal reasons for this.

By Jason Stein | for wheelbase communications November 23, 2008 In the world of automotive design, where each crease has a meaning and every crevice has a story, Wayne Cherry was a wiggle in a world of straight lines. In an era of pop-star obsessions over designers and their creations, General Motors’ former North American design boss was the anomaly. He was a Midwestern boy with a global outlook; a soft-spoken executive whose artwork spoke volumes. Not extravagant like current GM product czar Robert Lutz. Not a cult figure like Ford design whiz J Mays. And definitely not a conversation piece the way BMW’s lead designer Chris Bangle has been. Cherry always preferred the shadows. He let his vehicles take the spotlight. "I’m probably biased, but I think that design is terribly important," he once told The Car Connection, an automotive Web site. "But we (designers) shouldn’t get in the way." In 42 years at GM, the last dozen years as its leading designer, Cherry always avoided being in the way. But his products shook the landscape. The roll call of concepts and innovative designs that were created on his watch reads like a list of automotive all-stars. The Chevrolet SSR. The Pontiac Solstice. Cadillacs. Chevy trucks. And Hummers. Under Cherry’s direction, GM revealed more than 35 concept cars and trucks around the world, more than any other automaker in such a brief period. An award-winning designer, Cherry, now retired and in his early 1970s, is considered by many as the leader of a design renaissance at GM. And all of it occurred during some of the most challenging times, financially, for the automaker. Born in Indianapolis, Ind., Cherry began his career in 1962 in GM’s advanced design studios after graduating from the Art Center College of Design in Los Angeles, Calif. Three years later, after helping create the groundbreaking 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado and the first-generation Chevrolet Camaro -- two cars that would become cult classics -- he transferred to Vauxhall Motors in Luton, England. It was considered a "temporary" assignment. He returned to the United States 26 years later. During his time in Europe, Cherry climbed the corporate ladder, leading the design direction for Vauxhall and Opel. He established a new identity for European cars and trucks and would help bring GM Europe to No. 1 in overall sales through vehicles like the Corsa, Vectra and Omega, to name a few. Cherry returned to North America in 1991 and was named GM’s new design boss a year later. As just the fifth design boss in nearly 100 years of GM history Cherry quickly molded, shaped, sculpted and stamped the automaker’s product line. Usually soft-spoken and rarely outgoing, a one-liner was just that with Cherry . . . a one-liner. He wasn’t flashy. And, mostly, he wasn’t forceful. Even with GM struggling over money woes, he had work to do and his designs said plenty. "Frankly, we had to rebuild an awful lot of bridges (in the early 1990s)," he told The Car Connection. "For a number of years, all advanced design operations had to stop. A lot of our advanced work wasn’t focused on product." Under Cherry’s leadership, it found life. In America, his first vehicles were the 1997 Chevrolet Corvette and the Impala SS. But the real renaissance took shape with the new direction at Cadillac. Pushed aside by imports and forgotten in the automotive landscape, Cherry helped bring Cadillac back to prominence with a set of angular lines and a defined style. He found his greatest success with the CTS and the Escalade and his Cadillac Sixteen ultra-luxury concept car was characterized as "breathtaking" by the automotive press. There were hits, and some misses. Cherry was responsible for the Hummer H2 as well as the Cadillac SRX. But he was also responsible for the 2001 Pontiac Aztek, still a source of conversation for its design. Near the end, Cherry had an influence on GM’s AUTOnomy high-tech platform, as well as the design direction of the Solstice roadster. He also thought trucks shouldn’t get the short shrift, telling a reporter once that "trucks deserve design, too." But his influence on advanced computer design and hiring practices was perhaps even more profound. He encouraged interactive, plasma-screen reviews of products in two- and three-dimensional models. And he hired from other companies, taking in talent from Chrysler, Renault, Audi and Fiat, a practice not common at GM in the past. Cherry retired on Jan. 1, 2004, handing over the design reigns to Ed Welburn, an executive previously in charge of body-on-frame architectures for GM Design. But Cherry will not soon be forgotten. Buyers still clamor for his Cadillac Sixteen concept. Ford’s J Mays even called it "the best damn piece of work to come out of GM styling since (former GM design boss) Bill Mitchell’s days." Link: http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/...0,3141288.story

Thank You wildcat.

Actually it was very hard to do. This was the 1st thing that hit me when I got back to work after my father passed away. My goal was to be able to keep working on what I currently have on my plate and not lose people in the process. I don't know if you ever worked on a budget before but from your cavalier answer, I would guess not.