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  1. Let me translate. They said LOL, we're kool and so are our Buicks and website and yours are not!
  2. Bring a gun!
  3. That's part of my charm. I have found on these types of forums, most people can't handle the truth, even when it's Gospel, so it's better not to upset the apple cart and let people believe what they will. Remember how you acted when I told you the El Camino would not come here as a Chevrolet? You can't have it both ways, you're like one of those people that signals me to come closer with one hand and stay away with the other hand.
  4. Hint - Spruce Goose
  5. Richard Truett Automotive News June 16, 2003 - 12:01 am EST If at first you don't succeed ... wait for a wave of nostalgia Edsel trivia Wacky feature: "Tele-Touch" automatic transmission shifted electronically by buttons in the hub of the steering wheel. Named for Edsel Ford, son of Henry Ford and father of Henry Ford II. Advertising slogan: "Once you've seen it, you'll never forget it. Once you've owned it, you'll never want to change." Ford sponsored "The Edsel Show," which was broadcast live on Oct. 13, 1957. It was the first TV program to be videotaped at CBS. Total production for the 1960 model year: 2,846. Chief designer Roy A. Brown Jr. was transferred to Ford of England in 1960 and later styled the classic Ford Cortina. Roy A. Brown Jr., the retired Ford designer who created the most infamous grille in automotive history, is not surprised that the Edsel now is viewed in a kinder light. For decades, Ford's beleaguered Edsel was America's industrial poster child of how to do all sorts of things - marketing, research, styling, manufacturing. Wrong. In the mid-1950s, Ford invested about $250 million ($2.25 billion in 2003 dollars) setting up the Edsel Division; creating a network of 1,200 dealers; and developing a range of Edsel sedans, coupes, wagons and convertibles. The Edsel, a gadget-filled, medium-priced car meant to compete with DeSoto, Studebaker, Oldsmobile, Dodge, Pontiac and Buick, was offered in four series: Ranger, Pacer, Corsair and Citation. Prices ranged from $2,300 for a Ranger sedan to $3,489 for a Citation convertible. Ford's loss on the Edsel was staggering by 1950s standards. The company lost $312,500 a day on the Edsel from its introduction in September 1957 until November 1959, when Ford announced the end of Edsel production. Even though the loss was huge, Ford remained profitable in those years and still paid a dividend to its shareholders. Ford planned to sell 200,000 Edsels annually. In 1958, the Edsel's best year, just 63,107 units sputtered painfully out of six Ford plants. By the time the vehicle died, only 118,000 had been built in the United States and Canada. Although the word "Edsel" entered the nation's lexicon as a synonym for failure - defined by Webster's as "a product or project that fails to gain public acceptance despite high expectations and costly promotional efforts" - the Edsel debacle was more than just an expensive and embarrassing blunder for Ford. Many Edsel dealers who invested in franchises lost their money. For those who championed the car, such as Henry Ford II and Ford Chairman Ernest Breech, the Edsel was just a bump in the road in their careers. But at least 2,000 Ford white-collar workers lost their jobs, and the careers of many others were affected. Rebirth in the '80s The public's perception of the Edsel started changing in the late 1980s, says Robert Thompson, a professor of popular culture at Syracuse University in New York. "In pop culture, there's a law of cultural life," Thompson says. "Something that is most extraordinary in failure gets resurrected in glorious nostalgic reflection." Comedians of the day lambasted the Edsel. They compared the shape of its grille to a toilet seat and said it resembled "an Oldsmobile sucking a lemon." In the Edsel's case, resurrection means skyrocketing values for certain models in immaculate condition - and that comes as no surprise to Brown, 86, who speaks about the Edsel in a soft but pride-filled voice. He is not embarrassed by the car; he's happy to have been associated with it. It's the one part of his 20-plus years with Ford on which people still focus. Since he started giving interviews about the Edsel in the mid-1960s, Brown has defended the car's design, and he always has felt that styling wasn't what sank the brand. "I say the Edsel is the most successful failure in history," says Brown, who lives in Brooklyn, Mich. "The reason it failed was more the timing than anything." The failure of the Edsel, he says, also has to do with Ford creating unreasonable expectations for a somewhat ordinary Ford- or Mercury-based car. For months the Ford PR machine promised that the Edsel would be something radically different. About 2.5 million people went to Edsel dealerships on "E-Day," Sept. 4, 1957, and most came away disappointed. Bad timing Ford's timing was bad on several fronts. The market research that led to the creation of the Edsel was at least 4 years old by the time the car was ready for the market. When the vehicle rolled into showrooms, buyers' tastes were shifting toward smaller, more economical cars, such as American Motors' Rambler, which was then on sale. The Plymouth Valiant and the Ford Falcon were two years away. Those were the first American responses to the Volkswagen Beetle and other small imports. The heyday of the mid-sized car had ended, and the Edsel was a mid-sized car. The import invasion began in 1958 in the United States, and a brutal recession was underway. It was a time of massive upheaval in the U.S. auto market. Buick sales skidded 33.1 percent, DeSoto fell 53.9 percent, Dodge plunged 47.4 percent, Mercury dropped 47.7 percent, and Oldsmobile was off 17.5 percent. Poor quality was another problem. Because Edsels were built alongside regular Ford and Mercury cars, assembly line workers sometimes had trouble fitting the proper parts. Edsels were built in factories dedicated to either Fords or Mercurys. When an Edsel came down the line, workers had to attach the special parts, which many did with indifference. They also weren't thrilled about having to build another brand of automobile. Basically, it was extra work for no extra pay. In January 1958, after it was clear that the Edsel was not going to meet its sales expectations, Ford folded it into the new M-E-L - Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln - Division. A quick redesign for 1960 gave the car a more conventional appearance, but sales didn't improve. Just one month into the 1960 model year, Ford had had enough and killed the brand. The Edsel today Forty-five years down the road, Brown says he sees the Edsel's history unfolding pretty much as he thought it would. Brown says he always believed that at least some collectors would come to appreciate the car. Meticulously restored Edsel convertibles, or those in pristine original condition, are selling for $25,000 to $30,000 - not far behind another cherished Ford classic of that era, the 1955-57 Thunderbird roadster. Edsel wagons and sedans in excellent condition are selling for $10,000 to $15,000 - about the same as many other late-1950s Oldsmobiles, Desotos, Studebakers and Plymouths. Thompson, the Syracuse professor, says today's teenage and twenty-something students look at the Edsel and see only that it looks like any late-1950s American car. Perhaps three students out of a class of 120, he says, know the Edsel was a massive failure for Ford. "Today, if you named your child Edsel, he would get teased because it's a crazy, goofy name," Thompson says. "Not because of the car." Only about 5,000 to 6,000 Edsels are thought to have survived. Because the car was unloved for so many years, the scrappage rate was extremely high, says Keith Martin, editor and publisher of Sports Car Market, a monthly magazine that tracks the values of antique and classic cars sold at auction. Rich Dean, a 37-year-old executive at KQED, a public radio station in San Francisco, relies on an Edsel for his daily transportation. Dean says he has no modern car and doesn't want one. "I was looking for an old car, something with style, when I ran across an Edsel," he says. ''I looked at the grille. It's love. How cool is that? They don't make stuff like this anymore." Dean says that at stoplights and in parking lots some old-timers can't resist telling him what a failure the Edsel was. But most people don't view the car that way. "The styling of the 1958 model has held up really well," he says. "When people see the car going down the road, they look at it, see it is an Edsel, and they smile. Maybe they don't judge it quite the same way now as they did then." The Edsel's distinctive styling, featuring a horse-collar grille, deeply scalloped sides and horizontal tailfins, garnered plenty of criticism. But the car's looks were not out of place for the times, says J Mays, Ford's vice president of design. "The Edsel and its design have sort of become an urban myth," Mays says. "Although its design elements were not as harmonious as they might have been, much about the car's appearance was in line with other things that were going on at the time. You have to see designs of the 1950s and '60s within the cultural mind-set of the time -just as you do today."
  6. These antique cars are true works of art .. Visitors to Rockefeller Center recently were intrigued, bemused or simply mystified by what looked like a bunch of old cars painted silver. But the cars constituted a major work by internationally acclaimed artist Nam June Paik called "32 cars for the 20th century: play Mozart's Requiem quietly." Actually, there were only 16 of the 32 cars in Paik's work on display at Rockefeller Center. They appeared with another major Paik work, "Transmission," an outdoor laser presentation. Organized by Public Art Fund on behalf of RCPI Landmark Properties and Tishman Speyer Properties, owners of Rockefeller Center, the exhibition exposed millions of people to the work of Nam June Paik - and to the mysteries of the '36 Nash Lafayette. The exhibition was presented by Cingular Wireless. Link: http://info.detnews.com/joyrides/story/index.cfm?id=370
  7. I never kiss and tell. :AH-HA_wink:
  8. Almost 3 model years ago.
  9. As for the G8. You know all this for a fact? Have you driven one, has anyone here driven one? :rotflmao: Also!
  10. I agree, Amerika's answer to the German Trabant, at that time! :rotflmao: See I hated Saturn long before my dislike of Holden started. But now that Saturn is Opel, they are kool with me.
  11. Don't be such a woman! :AH-HA_wink:
  12. Kiss them good-bye!
  13. Oh did I actually type what I was thinking?
  14. I agree, GM needed to do that. Look how much better the product and the lineup is now as compared to what it was at Saturn then. With a little help from Opel.
  15. All you really need to know is that the shotgun wedding that Saturn forced Wilmington into at that time was a marriage Wilmington tried to wiggle out of at the 1st chance it had. What Saturn failed to realize was, as they were busy trying to assimilate the Wilmington plant (which they never truely accomplished), GM started to assimilate them. First our plant manager was named as Saturn president, and that truely was the begining of the end of Saturn as an independent (rogue) car company. Wilmington had a long history of building cars, and as such, had powerful friends inside GM to help them break free of the Saturn chains of bondage. Dennis Dougherty, who had worked at Wilmington a year or so before Saturn took control of the Wilmington plant, was promoted up to Detroit. When it was announced that Wilmington would again be a GM plant again an no longer a Saturn plant, it was like Liberation Day in Paris. Then GM announced that Dennis Dougherty would be coming back, GM was sending us a message that they were sending Wilmington family back to us, to help in the healing process for Wilmington. The day Dennis had the Saturn signs removed and the new GM signs put up, is a day I personally will never forget. Looking back on it, I think Wilmington was used as a diversion, as GM back doored Saturn into submission. I still remember Saturn saying in meetings "You don't understand, we are not part of GM!", Righttt I would say, then where is your stock I want to buy some. I was one of Saturn's biggest antagonist and try as they would, they could never seem to get me relocated from Wilmington plant, and boy did they try! :AH-HA_wink: Oh well Saturn as a company is dead, Saturn as brand lives on, as does the Wilmington plant. I now await some electrifying news coming out Wilmington in the future. There is always something going on there.
  16. It's a German thing, it has nothing to do with being an Obsessive-Compulsive.
  17. Wait and buy the new Chevy Malibu when it comes out, same car and Chevy will haggle. Unless Saturn clapping as you drive away and paying full sticker is important to you.
  18. Well he only lives an hour away. I know how he likes to belabor a point so I thought he would be a great candidate to be your laborer. Plus he has that pop-up tent thing in the back of his truck, so his sleeping cost would be little to none. When he starts to smell on Sunday you could hose him down and send him on his way, back to Lancaster. Perfect setup I would say. I have to drag by butt to Yankee land myself tonight, a friend is having a party in Oreland, PA for me, so I get to have the very senic ride of 95 N to the Blue route North to the PA turnpike east. God I hate South Eastern PA! Jesus I'm starting to sound like you!
  19. That is a goal that Wilmington would be well suited for. :AH-HA_wink:
  20. Who's your helper, ocnblu?
  21. That's pretty funny, Wilmington Assembly [AKA: Delware bulls***] worked hard to bring the old Saturn to it's knees. It does my heart good to know they realize it too. After all Saturn came to Wilmington like the Borg and tried to assimilate us, guess who got assimilated in the end? I learned very well how to bring a rogue subsidiary back into the GM fold, in fact it's a specialty of mine.
  22. I think some of you need to look up what the GM divisions are. Some marquees mentioned are not GM divisions. :AH-HA_wink:
  23. Oh come on reg, most likely the male steward who told her she was dressed inappropriately was gay! You know how they are! I think her outfit is HOTTTTTTTTTTTT, and I bet most other males would say the same thing.
  24. As my Admin would say, Oh good lord no! Awww, look you gots Peachfuzz! Leave the young boys alone ocnblu, you'll frighten them!
  25. Don't be jealous, there is plenty of hair for you too K.C.!
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