Oracle of Delphi

Nah, average temp in winter is 40 degrees, that's not to bad. As far as the foreign thread, does English qualify, since my native language is German?

Who said it wasn't respectable? I just said it wasn't $50, like you constantly spout off. It's not $50 today so guess what, it was never $50 in 1985. It's so like you 68, whenever you can't win an argument you resort to the F bomb and trying to tear down what other people have worked hard to get. See that's the key 68, to have something nice you have to put your nose to the grindstone and keep with it. You know like relationships, jobs, friends, etc. I could go on, but I think you get the point on that. GM spent about $200 million to refurbish Framingham's paint shop at the close of the 80's. The plant closed a mere 6 months after the project was completed. You're right Satty, I might be better off talking to a porpoise.

Wilmington

Come to Delaware and move in next to me, when I come back to the US, I will be returning to my humble little Delaware house behind the gate. :AH-HA_wink:

I'm going to ask Mrs. PCS about how I can get laid out in a grid.

Bob, you don't talk much to me these days, is it my underarm deodorant?

We go to the Letterman show about 4 times a year and of course I am at the GM building from time to time for work, however that lifestyle is not for me, the unusual sights and smells is enough to keep me from ever living there.

I think I dated your mom, we are about the same age. I'm 38.

For us it's: SUV's Crossovers V8/V6 FWD Pontiac Sedans Future 2010 Cadillac CTS or CTS-V since there will no longer be a Pontiac I wish to own. If there even is a Pontiac by then. :AH-HA_wink:

Look, it's a peeping Camino LS6!

I approve of that project, since they need Wilmington's help!

DETROIT - Cars were too small, sport utility vehicles too inefficient and she couldn't see herself driving a minivan. So Dr. Melissa Sundermann ended up with a type of vehicle that most automakers are banking on for sales growth: a crossover. Built on car underpinnings but having many attributes of SUVs, crossover utility vehicles have seen explosive growth since Toyota Motor Corp. started the category with the RAV4 back in 1995. In 1996, the RAV4's first full year on sale, Toyota told 56,709 of the small crossovers when it had the market to itself, according to data collected by Ward's Automotive Group. But sales rose quickly as other automakers saw the growth potential, topping 2.4 million last year with more than 50 models for sale. Now, with the 2008 car model year approaching, automakers are hopinh to capture thousands of people like Sundermann who want more space for kids and their junk, and the array of models and sales are almost certain to grow. Last year, crossovers outsold truck-based SUVs for the first time, said George Pipas, Ford Motor Co.'s top sales analyst. "Next year, most likely, the category will climb over the 3 million mark, barring a sharp decline in total volume," Pipas said. Sundermann, a physician and mother of two in Ann Arbor, Mich., felt that her old vehicle, a Volvo station wagon, didn't have enough room. "In driving the kids around and doing car pooling, I just couldn't fit enough kids in my car safely," she said. Sundermann, 37, started looking at large SUVs such as the Ford Expedition and Chevrolet Tahoe, but wanted something smaller with better gas mileage. She also needed three rows of seats and enough space in the back for groceries and other items. When her husband suggested looking at the Saturn Outlook, a new crossover vehicle, she thought it was odd because her image of the company was of one that made economy cars. "With all the options, the price was right. We were impressed that the gas mileage was fairly decent for a bigger car," she said. "I can fit all my kids and their friends and all my stuff and still feel like I'm driving a luxury car." The crossovers, which range in size from smaller four-passenger vehicles to ones seating up to eight, are key products for the Detroit Three as they try to regain market share lost mainly to Japanese competitors. Last month, Detroit's share of the market dropped below 50 percent for the first time in history. Ford, General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC lost a collective $15 billion last year as they were caught unprepared when high gasoline prices sent consumers away from trucks and sport utility vehicles to cars and crossovers. A two-wheel-drive 2008 Ford Expedition large SUV, for instance, gets an estimated 12 miles per gallon in the city and 18 on the highway. Ford's Taurus X crossover, built on a Volvo car platform with three rows of seats, gets 16 mpg in the city and 24 on the highway. Because they're built on car platforms, crossovers are more maneuverable and have smoother rides than the truck-based SUVs, said Lonnie Miller, director of industry analysis for R.L. Polk & Co. "It provides kind of like the best of both worlds. It's a nice alternative to a minivan and as large in many cases as a gas-guzzling SUV," he said. As crossovers have grown, minivan sales have dropped, off about 22 percent from the first seven months of last year and down 12 percent in 2006 compared with 2005. Ford and GM, seeing little growth potential, got out of the business. But Chrysler, the minivan inventor and leader, sees growth and is coming out with a new version of its people hauler featuring a seat that swivels so passengers can sit on either side of a table. For Sundermann, though, a minivan didn't feel right. "It would just define me," she said. "I lead a sporty, adventuresome lifestyle. I'm a mother and physician. But I wasn't ready to drive a minivan," said Sundermann, who competes in triathlons. "Some people don't want to be seen as kind of that traditional suburban mom driving a minivan," said Sarah Woolson, general sales manager at Saturn of Ann Arbor, the dealership that sold Sundermann her black Outlook in April. Crossover sales are up about 15 percent so far this year. At Ford, where crossover sales have risen 44 percent over last year due largely to the Edge, Pipas believes they will continue to pull in buyers from the minivan, SUV and other segments of the market. Pipas predicted that in two more years, there will be 70 to 80 different crossover models from which buyers can choose. "This whole category has a long way to go," he said. Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20761826/

Even if the mileage were equal, the use of the V8 will require premium unleaded fuel, at a higher cost. The 3.6 does not require premium, however that beast weighs over 4000 lbls and Holden suggest using higher octane fuel or adding an octane booster to the 3.6. Either way more costly to the consumer. Tick Tock, Tick Tock! :AH-HA_wink:

How nice! Anyway the Youtube video says 2008, but it's 2007.

Just in time for Zeta! Tick Tock, Tick Tock! :AH-HA_wink:

I think Saturn Springhill sent them their old paint robots!

My boss, saying how much he's going to miss me!

You need to see my neighbor's wife on rollerskates, that is sex on wheels.

How will I get my porn updates at 4 AM then? :AH-HA_wink: No motion sensor needed, I have a sign, "If this van is a rocken, then don't come a knocken! I have, but I stand at the fridge with the door open for a half hour trying to decide what I want. Is that bad? Ewww, remind me not to eat at your house!

Incredible, I have no words.

Did you notice how Corvette is a brand in Europe?

SEATTLE - Officially, it’s the South Lake Union Streetcar. But in the neighborhood where the new line runs, it’s called the South Lake Union Trolley — or, the S.L.U.T. At Kapow! Coffee, a shop in the old Cascade neighborhood, 100 T-shirts bearing the words “Ride the S.L.U.T.” sold out in days, and another 100 are on order. “We’re welcoming the S.L.U.T. into the neighborhood,” said Jerry Johnson, 29, a part-time barista. Some claim — incorrectly, according to representatives of Vulcan Inc., the company that is developing the area — that South Lake Union Trolley was the original name and that it was changed when officials belatedly realized the acronym. The $50.5 million project should be completed with streetcars running in December. Underlying the lighthearted opposition, however, is resentment over changes in the old working-class neighborhood. “There was a meeting with representatives from the city several years ago,” Johnson recalled. “They asked us, ‘What we could do for you?’ Most people raised their hands and said, ‘Affordable housing,”’ he said. “Then the people from the city huddled together — ‘whisper, whisper, whisper’ — and they said, ‘How about a trolley?”’ Since then, Cascade has been ignored in Vulcan brochures that lump the neighborhood together with Denny Park and Denny Triangle under the term South Lake Union. With the streetcar, said Don Clifton, a Cascade resident, “We learned how fun it is to change the name of things.” Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20841428/

Funny, that's all I ever hear when I am there.

Bastard - Both you and Hitler!

Here you go. http://www.gmeurope.com/country/gm_denmark.html