Oracle of Delphi

As I said, I don't know about other pics on Flickr, I received one pic in an e-mail, The e-mail stated that the car in question was transfered to a Vauxhall employee, I think that would explain many things you see, more likely was there for service, where else would service be offered? Yes and in this case they were testing an LS7 engine, months before the announcement of such a vehicle being offered by Holden. Which by the way is already certified in the USA. I think I said from the beginning this was not a standard practice, on that we agree. Everything about the vehicle is production now. Also how do you explain GM producing a car for lets say Canada, realize that it put American options on a car, (say wrong paint color, wrong brand steering wheel and non metric IP), keeping those options on the vehicle and then changing the VIN so it is now an American car, or actually producing a car for Canada and changing the VIN and deleting the Canadian options on the price label so that it passes Status 80 and ships, and so a price label will print. My point being unusual things happen everyday at GM. The GM world is not a rigid as you make it out to be. I think the same of you, but I don't think I'm alone in that thought, your constant belittling of everything American wears thin on many members here, but in your true English style you muddle on with the same Anti-American sentiments and your superior than thou attitude day, after day, after day. I would think you would treat Americans better than that, as we both know without America, you would be speaking German now. I prefer German over English myself as does your countryman Carl-Peter it seems. Now as for that Saturn stock, where is it traded and where can I buy it

Here we disagree again.

Well it's on my wife's list when we get back to the States, but so are a whole lot of others things. Let's see (Torrent, Equinox, Traverse, Vibe, G5, G6, 9 1, 9 3), in the end I will make the final decision, base on Safety, fuel economy, and the big factor, which is, my money pays for it.

Why did he only get a 1 year tag? He could have opted for longer, is he thinking of fixing it up and selling it?

Just remember dent resistant doesn't mean scratch resistant. :AH-HA_wink:

1969 Pontiac Custom-S, 11 MPG. You just got to love it.

I too bought Ford stock yesterday, just a 100 shares but like you I think they have a future!

Well, well, well, so much piss and vinegar and it's not even 10 AM yet. I have a terrible hangover from a wine tasting event we went to last night. I drank a little bit to much, but that's another story. As for the pic, I searched nothing, it was sent to me by someone who works at Vauxhall, do you think I would only post one pic if there were more? Not my style. Two cars were built one sent to Switzerland the second to the UK, they have normal HSV/Holden markings, there has/was/is some concern that GM in it's infinite wisdom would scrap the two cars, but being as they were put into company service under the orders of Mr. Burns, there is/was hope that these two cars would be sold to the employees of GME, with 1st crack given to those assigned to drive them. Once the manufacturer label is removed, the hope is/was to bring them to the standard of the country they would remain in, unless GM decided to scrap them, which is does on a routine basis for these types of vehicles. We all just recently saw a red Opel wagon that was up for sale that a GM executive had ordered brought over from Germany in the 1960s, these type of things go on all the time, within GM. I watched in disbelief as GM scrapped every 1990 Chevy Beretta convertible without so much as blinking an eye, so I asked Mr. Burns if these could not be saved. As for me being in league with Camino, that is funnier than I can say, as we agreed on about 10% of what GM does, maybe less. aatbloke I know exactly how hard it would be to get the car to North America, but there are many ways to skin a cat. :AH-HA_wink: Now what were you saying about Saturn stock?

Lord that water is cold @ 9:30 AM. Hmmmmm, as I recall I did not attend that, so I don't know who was invited, and look what happened to fly, he became anti social after that! Roger, I have a question for you. Who got you a sticker for your car when it was damaged and the door had to be replaced/repaired and both GM and your dealer said it was impossible to do or get that sticker? Hmmmmmm?

I told you I only get up your way once a year, if that. This year I have a wedding in Scotland to attend, so I won't be in New England this year. You need to move south, below the Mason/Dixon line. :AH-HA_wink:

Again, it is what I say it is, it's not a swap, surely even you understand that vehicles have to be brought up to local standards of the jurisdiction they operate in, just like when I bring any car into the USA they have to meet the Federal and State standards, along with local city standards. Here's me thinking I don't care what you think, opinions are like arseholes, we all have them, I guess you can tell what I think of yours. Well I'm off to the beach, much to nice a day to spend it in here debating with the likes of you. Oh I saw your post about shutting Saturn down, now you do know Saturn is a subsidiary just like Vauxhall, however unlike Vauxhall it will be around a bit longer. The Saturn Corporation is incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware, and as such it would be very hard to shut down ... Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, sound familiar? I took it from your diatribe. :rotflmao:

I'd just be happy with anyone who just keeps the Illegal Aliens on their side of the border. I would not have a problem with a Berlin styled wall going up the whole length of our southern border with Mexico.

Were you in Centerville, Hockessin, or Greenville? I live in Hockessin, Delaware, when I'm in the US.

You say you've been involved in the auto business for a number of years and don't know the meaning of prototype? Or why things are disguised? The engine inside the car is a LS7, which is the engine that ended up in what you refer to as the regular production model W427 from HSV. As I said there are two of these in the EU they have been there since late winter of last year. You did notice that it's has HSV badging and not Vauxhall, so there's hope for you, why do you suppose there is an HSV in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? You don't have to answer, I know you are only a bean counter after all. Only person that will see my car will be Camino, when I bring it to the US, since we talk on the phone from time to time, you on the other hand I don't know from Adam, and I'd like to keep it that way.

You know it's a darn shame that Lutz didn't take the time to give the recently departed Pontiac GTO and the current Pontiac G8 it's own unique sheetmetal. I might have not been so opposed to those cars if they had taken the time to differentiate the cars and not just make another rebadge of a current model. I hope they make the new Saturn Aura's sheetmetal as unique as possible, and take the time to do it right.

Ahhh see, now that's not nice. Who is this WE you keep talking about? You and what army?

We do that to keep the Outlanders out. We all know where we're going, so no need for road signs.

There are two prototypes in Europe with the LS7 engine. One in Switzerland, the other in the UK. They are both badged as HSV's and they are both red. Here is the one closer to your heart for obvious reasons.

We perfected that process with the badge engineered Holden G8, oops I mean Pontiac! :rotflmao:

Allow me! I do like purple. Front View Rear View

It's times like these I value my dual citizenship. I'm not sure how things will turn out in the US no matter who is elected, so if things in the USA go down the $h!ter, I'd be happy living in Germany (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) the rest of my life, at least for now.

I didn't like that red, besides, I don't like to draw attention to myself. :AH-HA_wink:

Perhaps you should move to Delaware, I spoke to my neighbor today and he said they didn't lose power at all.

Now I have to disinfect it when I get back, have to kill those damn Yankee germs.

It wasn't Saab that killed Oldsmobile, it was Saturn.