ToniCipriani

It appears that all your experiences are with rental cars. In case you haven't noticed people do crazy stuff with the cars and rental companies don't really care about them. Last time my friends got a rental Cobalt, Accent and Corolla, they were drifting and burning them out in parking lots. So seriously, I doubt any rental car is really a benchmark of the true colors of the cars. How about go to a dealer and take one for a test drive instead of basing all your opinions on RENTALS?

Not really. Seeing tons of Pursuits around here.How come they sort of emphasized the UAW in the article?

I was poking around at Pontiac Mall, until I came across this: http://www.pontiacmall.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PT6302 Look at the picture. Noticed something wrong?? And is Pontiac Mall GM Official??

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But if they DO make it, and the engine compartment still fits the original V8, I'll take it! Find a smashed up one and pull the engine, and drop it back in here.

And it seems like a lot of times I just set the fire and run...

I used to play the Violin when I was a kid. And now I occasionally sing in the shower and go to karaokes.

The failing point of the Allante wasn't because it was FWD. FWD was only one of them. The main reason is cost. They build the chassis, ship it to Italy then ship it back for finall assembly. The longest production line in the world.

http://apps.gmcanada.com/app/GMCanada/offe...es&b=&oid=45123 When did the 3.8L get VVT?

The definition of compact and subcompact is different back then and now. The Cavalier was considered both subcompact and compact at different times.

Chill... Europeans like alphanumerics. And heck the car is for them...

If you're going to talk about Camrys, you should talk to Harry, not me. He has a Malibu.

I hope the one we get still has the steering on the left side... As for the forums, just keep them separate. Vauxhall and Opel are still collectively known as GM Europe. Saturn is GMNA.

We have to see about that until the Enclave comes. They're learning. Give them some time.

I thought he had an Escalade? My friend was talking about it when we were at the auto show.

They're all over. IIRC if you go to cadillaceurope.com (might be wrong, so GI), there are pics and 360s for it. And no, it's not just a smooth CTS. It's much smaller. Saab 9-3 is actually in the compact class, slightly longer than a Cobalt and comparable in size.

I have a friend with a Camry. Even he says my car looks better. But wait... ANYTHING looks better than a friggin Camry. Period.

But isn't that because there weren't much to start with in the first place for the first months? Ramping up production?? My opinion is that it isn't fair to compare the sales of the cars until a bit later, when both starts to mature and sales numbers stabilize. Comparing sales trends with one of them still ramping sounds a bit wierd.

The production cars are close enough, if you want it closer, I think GM are making accessories grilles which look like the ones from the concept. http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...?showtopic=2530 Again, I don't see that big of a difference. We knew a lot of those things couldn't make it to production. I have to agree with you on the direction the designers are taking is wrong though.

It actually looks a bit closer to 350Z than G35.

If you like the Grand Am that much you should probably embrace Zarrella and ask him to personally build you an Aztek. Mmmm... plastic...

Probably an old joke, but I came across this while reading jokes about engineers. -- The Pontiac that was Allergic to Vanilla Ice Cream For the engineers among us who understand that the obvious is not always the solution, and that the facts, no matter how implausible, are still the facts ... A complaint was received by the Pontiac Division of General Motors: "This is the second time I have written you, and I don't blame youfor not answering me, because I kind of sounded crazy, but it is a fact that we have a tradition in our family of ice cream for dessert after dinner each night. But the kind of ice cream varies so, every night, after we've eaten, the whole family votes on which kind of ice cream we should have and I drive down to the store to get it. It's also a fact that I recently purchased a new Pontiac and since then my trips to the store have created a problem. You see, every time I buy vanilla ice cream, when I start back from the store my car won't start. If I get any other kind of ice cream, the car starts just fine. I want you to know I'm serious about this question, no matter how silly it sounds: 'What is there about a Pontiac that makes it not start when I get vanilla ice cream, and easy to start whenever I get any other kind?'" The Pontiac President was understandably sceptical about the letter, but sent an engineer to check it out anyway. The latter was surprised to be greeted by a successful, obviously well-educated man in a fine neighbourhood. He had arranged to meet the man just after dinner time, so the two hopped into the car and drove to the ice cream store. It was vanilla ice cream that night and, sure enough, after they came back to the car, it wouldn't start. The engineer returned for three more nights. The first night, the man got chocolate. The car started. The second night, he got strawberry. The car started. The third night he ordered vanilla. The car failed to start. Now the engineer, being a logical man, refused to believe that this man's car was allergic to vanilla ice cream. He arranged, therefore, to continue his visits for as long as it took to solve the problem. And toward this end he began to take notes: he jotted down all sorts of data, time of day, type of gas used, time to drive back and forth, etc. In a short time, he had a clue: the man took less time to buy vanilla than any other flavour. Why? The answer was in the layout of the store. Vanilla, being the most popular flavour, was in a separate case at the front of the store for quick pickup. All the other flavours were kept in the back of the store at a different counter where it took considerably longer to find the flavour and get checked out. Now the question for the engineer was why the car wouldn't start when it took less time. Once time became the problem -- not the vanilla ice cream -- the engineer quickly came up with the answer: vapour lock. It was happening every night, but the extra time taken to get the other flavours allowed the engine to cool down sufficiently to start. When the man got vanilla, the engine was still too hot for the vapour lock to dissipate. Moral of the story: even insane-looking problems are sometimes real. Good thing mine isn't, and my version of the morale is: Pontiac and vanilla don't mix, so QUIT GIVING US REBADGED CHEVYS!!!

Sorry, but the grille still needs to go.

Anyone got his PIN? Message him to tell him what happened to Pontiac, and why are they giving us Bugs!

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