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Tell him I said the Chevrolet is better. Because it dosen't have any of the "german-American" engineering stuff like the Dodge does....

This is something I've considered for several vehicles. The dual fans available to fit my '04 Suburban were fairly expensive. I wanted to do it to increase MPG and maybe free up some horsepower. I've been told many things about the benefits of (or lack there of) electric fans, but I notice that the new Subs and Yukons have them factory installed. Has to be something to them or GM wouldn't be using them on the newest vehicles. Clutch fans are still used on the heavy duty truck. I guess it depends on what you're trying to accomplish with the fans, as to whether they're worth it or if you should be happy with them. I'm restoring my 1972 Chevrolet pickup and there will be dual electric fans on it when I'm done. As far as your issue with the doors not locking or whatever....that's crazy. Definately wrong. Have you looked at Summitracing.com ? They have the fans I looked at for the Suburban and they have technical experts that will assist you by telephone. I've had great experiences with Summit.

Is it me or is there an echo in here??

I don't care who you are, that's fun to watch.

You mean like bumper to bumper, tug-o-war style?? I remember when the Duramax first came out, there was a video of the GM heavy duty trucks in a tug-o-war with a Ford and Dodge. It really just was a demonstration of who had better traction, but it was fun to watch... Were you able to compare the 6.0 vortecMax to the 5.3??? Do any of you know if 6.0 Max engine has the active fuel management? What about E85 capability?

The buyout of Chrysler really helped them, huh? If an "alliance" with nissan/renault could benefit GM, why would Rick & co. be against it? They would benefit right along with the rest of the company and it's shareholders. Doesn't make any sense. The shareholders of Chrysler were lied to about their "merger" that was really a buyout. Foreign companies don't always have the answer....

I saw it during the game too, but I didn't see the one with football scenes. It was the longer version of the one listed here. I thought it was a really good commercial.

Is the '08 Malibu going to be built on a new platform? If so, what is it???

That's what I call entertainment.... why did they take the 22's off the Delta 88 before they blew it up?

I didn't look at a work truck, but did look at and sat in some SLE's with fabric seats. The fabric wasn't my favorite, but there were some nice features like the different instrument panel and with the light colored seats, the carpet was black. The dash was not cheap, but was definately geared more towards functionality as opposed to the pretty SLT dash. Didn't look like an afterthought. I own a '93 Chevy Silverado, that I purchased new (back before you could get leather), and the seats still look almost new. That's not an exaggeration. The interior has held up extremely well. The new ones might hold up well too, but they don't feel as nice as the fabric in my '93. Feels more like backpack material than soft fabric. Caddycruiser is exactly right. The leather was thick and heavily grained. Smelled like real leather too. That has to be more expensive than what GM was previously doing. My '04 Suburban has leather, but it's more like plastisized leather.

Everybody already knows it's good....but then again everybody knows it's American. And those are both good reasons to buy a Chevrolet Truck. You don't have to like the ad to buy the truck. They've been saying that they're the longest lasting, most dependable trucks on the road for quite a while, why not try something different? The tundra ads claim that they last for years and years as they dump $h! all over it like leaf bags, some dirt, and a canoe. And with all it's might, it drives out from under it. Funny since they haven't been around for years and years.....and the tacoma ads where the little thing gets washed out to sea and then drives away.... or the one where the Loch Ness monster takes it under water then spits it out and it drives away... I guess those are meant to be entertainment, but does that sell trucks? Personally I like the new Ford Superduty commercials, but they won't convince me to buy one over a Chevrolet.

I don't see how GM would be turning off customers by that ad. It looked good to me, kinda short...I'd like to see the rest of it. Rosa Parks is part of American history. The ad is about being American. I don't know, just a guess. I think you're looking for a reason not to like it.

Went to the TEXAS state fair today...and saw all the new trucks (except for the HDs). The leather compares to the leather in my wife's old BMW. It was truly incredible to see that kind of material quality in a pickup. Everything else looked good about those trucks, but the leather was amazing....

Is there more than just KK wanting Wagoner out? It's hard to imagine, at this point, that there could be those second guessing the turn around plan.

I think it's time for KK to go.... http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusin...=&from=business

Well maybe, but those little guys sure do have cool designs.. :rotflmao:

I don't know what the name of this color is, but it's awesome!!!

yeah, I've read about the new "light duty" diesel that isn't out yet. That's what you're talking about, right? I was wondering if GM was going to use the Duramax in the 'burb or Yukon 3/4 ton models, now or anytime soon....

Does anyone have any information about whether the duramax will be offered in the Yukon XL / Suburban? I always heard the last generation couldn't accomodate the Allison Transmission, and GM wouldn't put any other trans behind the Duramax... but haven't heard if, with the new models, GM was going to offer the D-Max for the Yukon 2500.

If GM could just significantly raise the fuel mileage of the Hummer, I think they could sell every configuation they could think of. People around here love the H3.

What are you basing this on? I happen to know an ass load of folks who left bmw for cadillac, so my personel observations don't support that. I just didn't know if there specific sales numbers to the contrary.

Well said.

my point, albeit somewhat overstated, is that most of what we know about automobiles has been created by the people of this country and to a much smaller extent Europe. The mini-van, the SUV, the JEEP, the luxury car, and the FULL SIZE pickup are not of japanese descent. The japanese have copied the ideas of others in these regards. This is especially true with the FULL SIZE pickup. So, with clairification, I now say...No it isnt'. This is a topic that I take very seriously. I won't defend substandard product from anyone, even America. But when American products are as good, if not better than the competition, I believe it is our responsibility to respond as consumers. People in japan believe that. They happend to be very patriotic and respond accordingly with their purchaes. Over the last 50 or so years we have seen the decline of the number of American made products as well as American owned companies. That is a shame. I believe that when you buy a Chevrolet, you are helping to support the retirees that maybe worked for GM for 50 years. It's safe to assume that those same people supported this country all of their lives. The largest portion of $$ made by toyota or honda gets re-invested in japan. Likewise, $$ GM earns, gets invested in the country I live in. Most who buy into that B.S. are too young to know what it is you're referring to. (or to remember that song). They just know what they've heard, which is mainly B.S. I like the guy on this forum whose signature reads: We can forgive japan for Pearl Harbor, but we can't forgive Detroit for the late 1970s. How true that is. I happen to talk to a lot of people and ask them why the drive the car they drive. If they drive a japanese car, I invariably hear "hondas never break down and everybody knows toyota is better than Chevrolet". If they are female, I hear things like, "well I used to have a Ford, and I had 3 flat tires on it, so this time I bought a honda. Consumer Reports says their the BEST." I just hate for people to buy into the perception gap. The gap that is perpetuated by car magazines like MT and C&D. toyota will never lead the FULL SIZE truck market. And I never said they (nissan/toyota) wouldn't be more competitive, but the only way for them to gain in that market, is for people to buy into a lie, which is that the japanese trucks are somehow better than Domestic. Outside that falacy, japanese fullsize trucks have nothing. You were supposed to ask him if his truck meant something to him, not what his view was on the USA/japanese pickup debate. Usually people have a fondness for a run of the mill truck that they may not have for a run of the mill car. There is a reason a guy would switch from a GMC Sierra, like your Dad, to a tundra. I just don't like it when that reason is crap like, tundra's are more dependable than GMC, b/c that ain't true. I happen to dislike very much the styling on most every japanese vehicle, but that might be a reason a fella switched, which is hard to argue with. Get my point? I enjoyed talking to you. I think I get the jest of what you're saying. I hope that I've made my point to you as well, which is that I love this country and I want our Domestic auto industry to remain strong. Full size pickups have EVERYTHING in the world to do with that!!

Never said it was always the reason, you know... No it's not. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: so-called Pronunciation: 'sO-'kold Function: adjective 1 : commonly named : popularly so termed <the so-called pocket veto> I guess I'm not sure what you're saying. But thanks for pointing out that they are fullsize. They are japanese too. I think it's funny how they always have to point out that they are full size. toyota has been doing that since the goofy-as-hell t100 "full size" :rotflmao: Am I really having to explain all this to you, or are you kidding me? If you'll go back one post before mine, you'll see that Shantanu pointed out that toyota has a little American patriotic campaign of their own. People buying toyota trucks, believing that because a vehicle is assembled somewhere in tennessee it's "American", that it doesn't matter what 'brand' of vehicle they purchase, and that japanese vehicles are somehow superior b/c they're japanese (just to name a few).....makes it possible for toyota runs ads like that. There will be some "Americans" that will like those ads too. It's a shame. Afraid. Concerned. Whatever. Toyota doesn't build a better truck than GM or Ford. I don't give a turkey if toyota is playing around or not. The AMERICAN pickup is a sacred. It's more than just a vehicle. If you, or your father, or your grandfather doesn't own one, then talk to some pickup owners. See for yourself. toyota is not American. And the fact they are trying to capitalize on AMERICAN patriotism, so they can sell pickups no less, should concern you. What??? What about patriotism that is shoved down your throat by a japanese company? Lemme guess....it's okay for them, but not for us?.... I can't believe that b/c Chevy is gonna run a patriotic ad you could misconstrue that as "shoving patriotism down people's throat."

I hate seeing japanese trucks on the road. Not because they don't have a right to sell their crap here, it's that people buy into the false premise that japanese vehicles are superior to American vehicles. The japanese have never had an original automotive idea. They copy everybody else (especially America). Now they're selling so called "full size" pickups and claiming that they're AMERICAN. The American consumer has allowed this to happen. I know there are some people that will disagree with me on this, but just know that you're wrong if you do. This month Motor Trend stated that GM (and Ford) should be very afraid of the new tundra. If there is anything sacred left in the automotive world. it's the full size AMERICAN pickup, made by what is left of the big 3. I think this ad campaign, that capitalizes on being AMERICAN. is a good idea.