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yep, she already knows if we ever get new vehicles we must test drive gm. she used to really like the cts, but she's always wanted a bmw... perhaps i can get her on the practicality of starting a family with a bmw (small) vrs the g8, more room for car seat and what not. but i havent seen the new g8 in person, i'm currios if it looks better then pictures, also how it compares (luxuary wise) i mean i think the leather is higher quality in the pontiac, the suspension might be better, not sure how the acceloration will compare but i think the bmw weighs more per hp(at least they usually do)

the problem isnt people having good credit or bad credit. people who have good credit, pay the bill, doesnt mean they read the contract before they sign people who have bad credit, dont pay the bill, whether by choice, or because they didnt read the contract and someone screwed them over. the worse thing about cars and carsalesman. is we are the man standing in the way of someones dream vehicle... and a lot of times people through emotions in the way of common sense after a test drive. this is why i applaud people that i've sold to as well as my father who refuse to go on test drives, because as long as its got a warrenty, it'll go from a to b... but i cant fathom seeing a car, as a vehicle of transportation, its more then that.... but being a salesperson, i see the showroom floor as a game, to see how much they want to sell... lol

i can say that my dealership was extremely reputable, we wouldnt give out bad loans, we rarely did loans, and ive never seen balloon payments in all the deals that we ever did. never even a loan that consumers got punished or penaltys for paying early. but that doesnt mean that we didnt put people in those situations. i know that we've convince many people to trade in cars that were not even a month old, instead of rewritting a deal or unwinding the deal. these customers i felt bad for, i saw one, lady traded in 2 vehicles in 1 month, and each time they had to get a bigger vehicle to hold the negative equity. i think from your story canada doesnt have as many rules when it comes to lending as usa does. but i mean, i remember the worst deal i did, i felt bad... gave a guy i think 13% intrest rate, on his new vehicle, not because he had bad credit(he asked to look at it, but my boss pursuaded him that it wasnt worth looking at.) 710 score, but because he had a bankrupsy 3 years ago, we made him feel that his credit was still bad and that he deserved the rate that we told him about. the worst thing was, this guy was like 35 and it was his first vehicle. got a stripped single cab silverado with like 400$ payments. felt kinda bad, but he was sooo happy

so i guess, im thinking ahead, but i need to get everything in order. heres the low down, my wife wants a new car, i told her when i come back from this deplyoment we'd start looking. currently she is driving an 00 honda civic 4 dr. she has always wanted to get a bmw. she doesnt really care to much which kind, just a bmw. although the car will be for her, i would rather have a g8. does this seem like a winable arguement. seeing that pontiac is supposed to be the american bmw, and the g8 is in some terms considered the 5 series fighter, what points can be considered better product on the g8 over a bmw (3 series, cause i cant afford a 5.) lets say for comparison sake g8, permium sound, permium package with sunroof. 31k lease payment aprox 381 with 6k due at signing for 48 months 15k a year or 405 for 36 months 15k a year i'm considering leasing a 328i (comperably equipt) 36,9k lease payment aprox 576 with 6k due at sign for 48 months 15k a year or 368 for 36 months 15k a year obviously the gm is better at 4 year lease then the bmw... but 3 years?

.. hey toyota is just investing in american soil to look like they support our ecconomy, but its all a dog and pony show, dont be fooled.

some people wont notice this because the v8 is an unthinkable option... this is where GM profits from green freaks...

im sure that is up to the dealership, but i knew we wouldnt. the worst thing, you can drive that car put 5000 miles on it in a month, and then the dealership has to go find the vehicle because the bank says the loan defaulted... but at that point sometimes the police are involved usually not... all the dealership wants is its car back...

probably not in this report... but basically, say I sell a car to you, we finnish all the paperwork, but today you cant drive it home for some reason. or you bought 2 vehicles and can only drive one home... GM still sold 2 today, but the other one counts as a delivery for a different day... and if you never take it home... the loan is canceled after a month. (interesting thing consumers dont know, if the first payment was never made, the deal is not a done deal, can be revearsed)

lol, tottally changed what i had... ohh well last year i think they focused on fleet numbers... so its hard to compete, they were up last year by 2.x percent... with strong fleet, with a reduction in fleet, and basic weak ecconomy, i think 30k cars is kind of expained?

ummm either something about the volt, battery technology... a new hybrid? E100 hybird gas-hybrid-hytrogen combo? probably has something to do with silverado or malibu hybrid...

FOR RELEASE: 2008-03-03 GM Reports 270,423 Deliveries in February Link to Press Release and Sales Data Car Retail Sales Driven By Malibu Up 62 Percent; CTS Up 71 Percent; Cobalt Up 24 Percent; Aura Up 21 Percent; and G6 Up 6 Percent Cadillac Car Sales Up 24 Percent; Chevrolet Cars Up 3 percent Enclave, Acadia and Outlook Drive Mid-Utility Crossover Segment Up 15 Percent DETROIT - GM dealers in the United States delivered 270,423 vehicles in February, a decrease of 13 percent compared with an unusually strong February last year. "Our new launch vehicles, including the award-winning Chevrolet Malibu and Cadillac CTS, had a sensational month, as did the Chevrolet Cobalt, Saturn Aura, and the Pontiac G6," said Mark LaNeve, vice president, GM North America Vehicle Sales, Service and Marketing. "Most importantly, despite tough market conditions, we anticipate our total retail vehicle sales share to have remained flat for the first two months of the year compared to 2007. We are encouraged by our performance in the key passenger car categories, and while the overall market for trucks is challenging, we anticipate holding our share for full-size pickups and utilities." Truck sales declined 20 percent compared with a year ago. GM's fuel-efficient cars saw strong growth. Chevrolet Cobalt total sales were up 56 percent with retail up 24 percent; Pontiac G6 was up 50 percent total and 6 percent retail; and Buick LaCrosse total sales were up 12 percent compared with February 2007. The Buick Enclave, GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook together accounted for more than 11,000 vehicle sales in the month, an increase of 94 percent compared with the same month last year. Outlook sales were up 15 percent; Acadia sales increased 39 percent; and there were more than 3,800 Buick Enclaves sold. Also of note, the Chevrolet Equinox compact crossover utility had total sales of more than 8,600 vehicles for a 15 percent increase, and a retail sales increase of 8 percent compared to a year ago. "Our sales increase at Cadillac shows the power of new products to attract consumers - even in a tough market," LaNeve added. "Additionally, Saturn Outlook had a 15 percent total sales increase, illustrating that vehicle's contribution to the mid-utility crossover segment performance. We remain focused on offering vehicles that have industry-leading value, great fuel economy and the best warranty coverage of any full-line automaker." Certified Used Vehicles February 2008 sales for all certified GM brands, including GM Certified Used Vehicles, Cadillac Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, Saturn Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, Saab Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, and HUMMER Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, were 42,305 vehicles, down 1 percent from last February. Year-to-date sales are 79,974 vehicles, down 7 percent from the same period last year. GM Certified Used Vehicles, the industry's top-selling certified brand, posted February sales of 37,716 vehicles, equivalent to last February's results. Cadillac Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 3,270 vehicles, up 5 percent from February 2007. Saturn Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 706 vehicles, down 44 percent. Saab Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 458 vehicles, down 15 percent, and HUMMER Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 155 vehicles, up 52 percent. "Certified sales are off to a solid start in the first quarter. February sales for GM Certified Used Vehicles were up 13 percent from last month, but equivalent year over year to a strong sales performance in February 2007," said LaNeve. "Cadillac Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles posted a 5 percent sales increase over last February, while Hummer Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles rose 52 percent." GM North America Reports February 2008 Production, 2008 First-Quarter Production Forecast Unchanged at 965,000 Vehicles, 2008 Second-Quarter Production Forecast Set at 1.08 Million Vehicles In February, GM North America produced 350,000 vehicles (129,000 cars and 221,000 trucks). This is up 1,000 units or less than 1 percent compared to February 2007 when the region produced 349,000 vehicles (130,000 cars and 219,000 trucks). (Production totals include joint venture production of 22,000 vehicles in February 2008 and 20,000 vehicles in February 2007.) The region's 2008 first-quarter production forecast remains unchanged at 965,000 vehicles (357,000 cars and 608,000 trucks). Additionally, GM North America's initial 2008 second-quarter production forecast is set at 1.08 million vehicles (408,000 cars and 672,000 trucks), down 62,000 units or 5 percent from second-quarter 2007 actuals. In the second-quarter of 2007 the region produced 1.142 million vehicles (402,000 cars and 740,000 trucks). General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), the world's largest automaker, has been the annual global industry sales leader for 77 years. Founded in 1908, GM today employs about 266,000 people around the world. With global headquarters in Detroit, GM manufactures its cars and trucks in 35 countries. In 2007, nearly 9.37 million GM cars and trucks were sold globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, HUMMER, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall and Wuling. GM's OnStar subsidiary is the industry leader in vehicle safety, security and information services. More information on GM can be found at www.gm.com. Note: GM sales and production results are available on GM Media OnLine at http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/ by clicking on News, then Sales/Production. In this press release and related comments by General Motors management, we use words like "expect," "anticipate," "estimate," "forecast," "objective," "plan," "goal" and similar expressions to identify forward-looking statements, representing our current judgment about possible future events. We believe these judgments are reasonable, but actual results may differ materially due to a variety of important factors. Among other items, such factors might include: the pace of introductions and market acceptance of new products; the effect of competition on our markets and significant changes in the competitive environment; price increases or shortages of fuel; and changes in laws, regulations or tax rates. GM's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q provide information about these factors, which may be revised or supplemented in future reports to the SEC on Form 10-Q or 8-K. # # # Link to Press Release and Sales Data

isnt it always great GM isnt on that list... i dont know how many times that GM gets to boast, ohh more regulations, well our company rule is still 2.5 times stronger then that! but are they going to get noticed for their over promise additude... nope

well we'll see how projections are, i'm assuming it cant be as bad as they say... i heard tis morning down 14 for gm down 16 for ford and down 19 for chrysler

sure, GM's end has come for years, but that doesnt mean its going to... in GM's hayday it was a compilation of assorted companies. Current day (through the last 3 CEO's) have tied everything together. I was commenting to my dad about the lack of appreciation that goes on in the army, we trash our equipment and everyone feels we have unlimited money... it really is scary... his statement to that, the larger the orginization the less appreciation there is for things... I cant imagine GM being any better, but in the early days there was competition between the brands, there was style there was muscle there was a difference between a oldsmobile and a chevy, there was a status to cruising in a cadillac, there was a pounding heart pushing the pedal of a 67 firebird. back before i was born, cars werent just cool, there was more to it then the wind in your hair, the tire screatching manual transmission. there was more to a car then the pure sex styling. but things have changed all of that... with emission rules, air bag standards, seat belt regulations, fuel concerns, and crash test ratings, the art of designing a car has been lost... through the years it has been remodedled to having a stylish appliance that leaks on your driveway. but, what people have yearned is coming from a general near you... Ford and Chrysler will soon be following, or be parted out... Chrysler is already ready to be gutted, thats what aquiring companys do... a car company is difficult but its gonna happen

according to finance google, they ar schedualed to come out monday the 3rd but the good news is April and May the results will come out the 1st!

I know of a review, where the Corvette z06 acheived a average of 4 mpg... you can always drive a car hard... its the japs cars that you beat them into the ground and they still get x mpg, because they've got no hp or torque and they use everything they got to maintain a normal speed... it really isnt anything to say, hey i can get my wifes civic down to 15 mpg... (dont dobt i could do it) but if you tell me, trying to drive like a grandma, i got this best to 37 mpg... pretty impressive... the two are completely different scores... cause that vette gets 4mpg, around nuremberg screaming a few miles below 200mph most of the way

many people think that what happened in 2005 was a bad thing, I really dont think it was. If nothing else, GM learned consumers still wanted GM products. Also another thing they learned is, cars still cost money but people look at profit, and loss too much. GM didnt have to lose any money in 2005 if it wanted to... but what it did was intentional, it was intentional because it was a company that needed a change... if GM didnt build concept models every year, if it didnt research new models, design ideas, new engine technologies, they would most certainly be making a lot more money in the united states. but what most investors are complaining about (loss whether it be 12 billion as 2005, 23 billion in 1992?, and 38 billion in 2007 does this mean GM is in trouble? do things that give you a competative edge come free? does streamlining an ageless process cost money? Doesnt it cost more, to spend the correct amount of time on research and development, or even better, spend extra time on it? what of unnecessary employees, if they have been working for your company doing nothing wrong, they arent going to go away unannounced, perhaps a golden handshake will free up some employement possitions. if you dont understand that to do good to a company that has let itself run aground it takes action, money, time but beyond just good business sense, tender love and care. and lutz, wagoner could just let the company go, not research, no development and it would be massively profitable, if it didnt advertize, people would still buy their cars, maybe a few less and it would save gm several billion... but things like this are necessary, sometimes costly... think about starting your own company, most of the time you will take on some losses(think of a seed for a plant) originally, but those losses will soon be repaid as the company blooms and beings to bear fruits

such a thing would be known as a camaro twin... just a thought... although maybe different wheel bases, or one comes from canada one from astralia

for a side note... parents camry gets average of 18-20mpg... non hybrid

hrmm probably gonna be a smash, whenever radio stations do it, they seem to block traffic for miles trying to get to said location. lines of people waiting to get fuel. but its a good grand opening awarness promotion. people might blame GM for being late or being frustrated with traffic. could cause a negative reaction, how much is fuel normally now? (sorry being in kuwait kinda lets me not know these things)

well sometimes, dealerships get to order what they think will sell other times, you get what GM distributes, and based on your area and your C.S.I. (Consumer Satisfaction Index) GM will give you what you order, or give you what they think you ought to have. if you have a good CSI score, you can choose whatever you want. if not, GM may throw the duds on the dealership. who knows where the fault lies, maybe the owner doesnt want to support the idea of hybrids.

the article said only major automakers... mazda and volvo are owned by ford, who went down how much? but anywho... i was just reciting the article

Car Sales Fall 4.3%; GM Alone Posts Rise By JOSÉE VALCOURT and MIKE SPECTOR February 2, 2008; Page A2 DETROIT -- U.S. auto sales fell 4.3% in January and slumped to their slowest level in years, adding to fears the economy is slipping into a recession. Two of the Big Three Detroit auto makers, Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, saw declines, as did their Japanese competitors Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co., and Nissan Motor Co. General Motors Corp.'s sales were up 2.6% over a weak January a year earlier, but its figure was still poor by historical standards. CAR COMPARE • Powerful Hot Wheels: Corvette ZR1, and other new sporty cars unveiled at the Detroit auto show. MORE ON AUTOS • What's Selling: January auto-sales data • Ford Loss Highlights Long Road to Profit 1/25/08 • Ford Looks to Trim More Jobs 1/24/08 • GM Hangs on to Top Sales Spot Over Toyota 1/24/08 • Lutz: GM Focus Is on Long-Term 1/23/08 • GM Sees End to Bleak Era 1/18/08 • Chrysler Aims to Boost Overseas Sales 1/8/08Auto makers sold a total of 1,043,947 cars and light trucks in January, according to Autodata Corp. That put the industry's seasonally adjusted annualized selling rate, known as the SAAR, at 15.24 million light vehicles, at the low end of most forecasts for the first half of 2008. In separate conference calls, Ford, GM and Toyota officials expressed optimism they will see an improvement in vehicle demand in the second half of the year as a result of the Federal Reserve's interest-rate cuts and the economic-stimulus package now being negotiated in Washington. The impact of these efforts should "kick in big time in the third quarter this year," said Michael DiGiovanni, GM's top sales analyst. Auto makers sold 16.1 million cars and light trucks in the U.S. market in 2007, well below the totals from the previous six years, when they sold about 17 million vehicles annually. Toyota expects sales in the second half to rebound and enable this year's total to reach about 16 million, spokesman Irv Miller said. GM, whose sales rose to 250,926 vehicles from 244,614 in January 2007, attributed the improvement to higher sales to individuals. It posted a 17% drop in sales to rental-car companies, a low-margin business most auto makers are trying to move away from. GM estimated its market share rose about two percentage points to more than 24%. By historical standards, however, GM still had a rough month. Last month was the company's second-worst January since at least 1980, according to Autodata, surpassing only January 2007. Edmunds.com, an auto-shopping Web site that tracks industry data, said GM spent an average of $3,402 in sales incentives for each vehicle it sold, about $1,000 more than in the same month a year earlier. A GM spokesman attributed the rise to high incentives for GM's full-size pickup trucks, which carried smaller, or no, incentives a year earlier. Ford's U.S. sales fell 3.9%. Its total of 159,276 vehicles, down from 165,668, was the lowest in the month of January since 1981, according to Autodata. Chrysler, which had pumped up its figures through most of 2007 by selling heavily to rental fleets, scaled back the practice. Its sales fell 12% to 137,392 vehicles from 156,308. JANUARY U.S. AUTO SALES Company Sales % Change General Motors 250,926 2.6% Toyota Motor 171,849 (2.3%) Ford Motor 159,276 (3.9%) Chrysler 137,392 (12%) Honda Motor 98,511 (2.3%) At Toyota, sales fell 2.3%, but its total of 171,849 vehicles put it well ahead of Ford as the No. 2 manufacturer in the U.S. behind GM. Honda's sales declined 2.3%, and Nissan's 7.3%. Auto makers are suffering under the weight of a prolonged housing downturn, rising fuel prices and tightening credit conditions. "It's not going to get any easier, at least for a while," said Jim Farley, Ford's top marketing executive. Chrysler, hoping to repair a battered image among consumers, said it plans to unveil an ad campaign emphasizing that the company is listening to customers as it designs cars. Chrysler will run television ads on Super Bowl Sunday and on news programs during the Super Tuesday presidential primaries. Chrysler hopes it can get new customers by offering discounts while other auto makers try to hold the line on incentives.

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FOR RELEASE: 2008-02-01 GM Reports 252,565 Deliveries in January, Up 2.1 Percent Strong Retail Increase of 11.2 Percent Offsets Planned Fleet Reduction Chevrolet, Buick, GMC, Cadillac and Saturn Total Sales Up Malibu Total Sales Up 58 Percent; CTS Up 95 Percent; Lacrosse Up 70 Percent; G6 Up 16 Percent Small/Compact Car Total Sales Up 17 Percent Driven By Aveo, Cobalt and G5 Enclave, Acadia and OUTLOOK Drive Mid-Utility Crossover Segment Up 134 Percent DETROIT - GM dealers in the United States delivered 252,565 vehicles in January, an increase of 2.1 percent compared with the same month last year. The company continued its efforts to focus on improved retail sales, showing an increase of more than 11 percent. Very strong retail sales of 186,187 vehicles were driven by a more than 31-percent surge in retail car sales. GM retail share in the U.S. has remained essentially stable for the past two and one-half years. Total truck sales of 148,191 were up more than 3 percent compared with a year ago. "January's performance strongly indicates that, along with our great market position in trucks and crossovers, GM is back in the car business," said Mark LaNeve, vice president, GM North American Vehicle Sales, Service and Marketing. "Our new launch vehicles, including the award-winning Chevrolet Malibu and Cadillac CTS had a sensational month, as did the Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac G5 and G6, Saturn AURA, Buick Lacrosse and Cadillac STS. Overall, we've had year-over-year retail sales increases in four of the past five months." Chevrolet Malibu retail sales were up 198 percent while total sales climbed 58 percent, compared with a year ago. Chevrolet retail car sales were up 62 percent compared with a year ago. Cadillac CTS deliveries were up 95 percent total and 104 percent retail compared to last January. GM's fuel-efficient small cars saw substantial total and retail growth. Chevrolet Aveo total sales were up 40 percent, while retail sales were up 65 percent; Cobalt was up 33 percent total and 65 percent retail; Pontiac G5 was up 50 percent total and 71 percent retail, while Vibe was up 10 percent total and 58 percent retail when compared with January 2007. The Buick Enclave, GMC Acadia and Saturn OUTLOOK together accounted for more than 12,200 retail vehicle sales in the month. The mid-utility crossover segment grew retail sales by 144 percent compared with year-ago January levels. Total sales of GM's mid-utility crossovers were up 134 percent to more than 12,600 vehicles compared with a year ago. Small crossover utilities, led by the Saturn VUE, Chevrolet Equinox and Pontiac Torrent pushed up GM's total sales in that segment by 51 percent, while retail volume rose 38 percent compared with last year. "Our retail increase helped move our mix of retail sales as a percentage of total sales up by 6 points," LaNeve added. "We are improving our quality of share while offering vehicles that have industry-leading value, great fuel economy and the best warranty coverage of any full-line automaker." Chevrolet retail sales were up 13 percent, Pontiac was up 17 percent, Buick was up 13 percent, GMC was up 15 percent, Cadillac was up 11 percent and Saturn retail sales were up 5 percent compared with a year ago. Certified Used Vehicles January 2008 sales for all certified GM brands, including GM Certified Used Vehicles, Cadillac Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, Saturn Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, Saab Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, and HUMMER Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles, were 37,669 vehicles, down 13 percent from last January. GM Certified Used Vehicles, the industry's top-selling certified brand, posted January sales of 33,339 vehicles, down 11 percent. Cadillac Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 3,226 vehicles, down 14 percent. Saturn Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 546 vehicles, down 59 percent. Saab Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 429 vehicles, down 19 percent, and HUMMER Certified Pre-Owned Vehicles sold 129 vehicles, up nearly 2 percent. "January sales for GM Certified Used Vehicles were up 10 percent from the previous month, but down 11 percent from the brand's best January sales month ever in 2007," said LaNeve. "We're optimistic about growing sales in the first quarter as consumers opt for financing similar to new vehicles on some of our most popular models and as more highly equipped off-rent vehicles work their way into GM Certified inventory in coming months." GM North America Reports January 2008 Production; 2008 First-Quarter Production Forecast Revised at 965,000 Vehicles In January, GM North America produced 297,000 vehicles (106,000 cars and 191,000 trucks). This is down 16,000 units or 5 percent compared to January 2007 when the region produced 313,000 vehicles (135,000 cars and 178,000 trucks). (Production totals include joint venture production of 13,000 vehicles in January 2008 and 15,000 vehicles in January 2007.) The region's 2008 first-quarter production forecast is revised at 965,000 vehicles (357,000 cars and 608,000 trucks), up 15,000 units or 2 percent from last month's guidance. General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), the world's largest automaker, has been the annual global industry sales leader for 77 years. Founded in 1908, GM today employs about 274,000 people around the world. With global headquarters in Detroit, GM manufactures its cars and trucks in 35 countries. In 2007, nearly 9.37 million GM cars and trucks were sold globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, HUMMER, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall and Wuling. GM's OnStar subsidiary is the industry leader in vehicle safety, security and information services. More information on GM can be found at www.gm.com. Note: GM sales and production results are available on GM Media OnLine at http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/ by clicking on News, then Sales/Production. In this press release and related comments by General Motors management, we use words like "expect," "anticipate," "estimate," "forecast," "objective," "plan," "goal" and similar expressions to identify forward-looking statements, representing our current judgment about possible future events. We believe these judgments are reasonable, but actual results may differ materially due to a variety of important factors. Among other items, such factors might include: the pace of introductions and market acceptance of new products; the effect of competition on our markets and significant changes in the competitive environment; price increases or shortages of fuel; and changes in laws, regulations or tax rates. GM's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q provide information about these factors, which may be revised or supplemented in future reports to the SEC on Form 10-Q or 8-K. # # # Original Press Release with Sales Breakdown