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Yeah, but it would take about 30 minutes to make the Camaro look exactly like the chop. I have never left a vehicle I've purchased untouched. Not one. The Stingray for instance, within 2 days of owning it I had: 1) Blacked-out taillights 2) Blacked-out Chrome Strip on front 3) Put front Valance/Splitter on Carbon Flash 4) Tinted Windows 5) Put tinted overlays on all four marker lights and two rear reflectors by week 1.. had tuned it and removed CAGS As an enthusiast, I will never be happy with the way a car comes from the factory. There is always something I want to personalize. While I never leave anything I have factory, or the way I bought it. I've never overhauled something so quick! Are you also not a huge fan of chrome?? I've been 'diping my chrome pieces in black. Chrome(not on wheels) always just looks cheap to me. What % tint did you put on her? I will never have a vehicle without tinted windows anymore. Not after the first time I had m windows tinted, I'd never go back. Just my thing. These cars, despite them being humble Chevys are quite high profile.. so people notice the hell out of 'em. I normally get right on it as soon as I buy 'em.. as U can see. I do like chrome tho.. I think the Impala has a perfect amount.

naaaah. I'm cool with the grille just being blacked out. With respect, if I wanted a Z06.. I'd just trade her in for one. Just don't see a point

Yeah, but it would take about 30 minutes to make the Camaro look exactly like the chop. I have never left a vehicle I've purchased untouched. Not one. The Stingray for instance, within 2 days of owning it I had: 1) Blacked-out taillights 2) Blacked-out Chrome Strip on front 3) Put front Valance/Splitter on Carbon Flash 4) Tinted Windows 5) Put tinted overlays on all four marker lights and two rear reflectors by week 1.. had tuned it and removed CAGS As an enthusiast, I will never be happy with the way a car comes from the factory. There is always something I want to personalize.

The argument above would not have been made, if comment below was read carefully in one of my other posts, because the single major hole in that theory is none of those manufacturers offer ANY equivalent car in other market, unlike GM, which it does. Your Chevroletdes Benz comment just further solidifies how much you read around here. May be you should own one of the FWD tri-star because based on your post, it seems like you really want one (clarification for your comprehension - assumption here is there's no sarcasm in that post). Given GM already has OPC, GTC versions and the necessary power train along with car platforms are geared to be world platforms, the cost of federalization is much lower than Toyota building a Corvette competitor, which it is BTW with BMW. No. The Fiesta ST was brought up by the original Article. Look at the quote from Autonews. The problem with your "utility" argument really stems from the fact that this article.. the one that we are actually discussing.. isn't talking about UTILITY. It is talking about cheap performance "pocket rockets.." which technically, at $21K, the Fiesta is not. It also isn't really a "rocket" with a 0-60 time at 7seconds. A time that my 5000lb Yukon would leave in the dust. Hell the SPARK EV is almost the same with 7.5. 2) I obviously don't ever even want to be seen around, let alone owning a CLA 3) The Toyota/BMW isn't here yet, and we are looking at almost 3 years before it is supposed to debute 4) I agree on the "bring the already developed cars here" ideology. I have long said, and even in my first few posts in this thread reiterated that I believe the Cruze and Verano should get OPC/VXR treatments. I also said that the Sonic RS should get more than cosmetic changes. As it stands tho the Sonic does get a factory warrantied upgrade if the owner wished for $695, but I think the 10 more HP (up to 148 HP) and 10%increase in torque (+15 lb.-ft.) doesn't go far enough

Yeah I have always thought this. The Cruze is a borderline premium car when U get down to it. The Corolla, Civic, Focus, and Elantra look low rent IMO. The Cruze and Mazda3 look like they belong in the same segment as a Verano or TSX Ill agree 100% about the Mazda 3. Ill agree 95% with the Cruze...pre-refresh Cruze. I havent seen the refreshed Cruze just yet to have an opinion about it. The first gen. Cruze, especially in LTZ trim, or even in RS trim looks great...even today...when the car is a 7 year old design already. The reason why I knocked off 5%, is because I have an issue with the Bow Tie on the Cruze. Although a gold Bow Tie does not bother me...it does not look good on a Cruze, body coloured or a aluminium finished look Bow Tie would look more luxurious on the Cruze. Uuuum.. make it the color U want... U can get Chevy Emblems in any color.. or make it yourself

Yeah I have always thought this. The Cruze is a borderline premium car when U get down to it. The Corolla, Civic, Focus, and Elantra look low rent IMO. The Cruze and Mazda3 look like they belong in the same segment as a Verano or TSX

I think I'm done with manuals.. so.. 8speed it is in a LT1 powered base SS, in red hot, with Black interior with red inserts in fact.. This:

Do U like Electric cars???

Do U sell for Benz? Just wondering. Either way.. I would say that Cadillac as of late have been showing a few exclusive engines coming.. the TT V8 is on its way, and I highly doubt that they will use it anything except Cadillac I don't work for Benz in anyway. I do think the TT V8 will be Cadillac only which is good. But the Germans already have lots of TT V8s, Cadillac needs one now, not in 2020. Well.. I look forward to the TTV8, but Cadillac isn't leeft out in the cold with the legendary SB V8 either.

Just thinking that a "LIKE" button would be kinda cool when the new software arrives. Anyway.. I agree. I think that U should be able to have a choice of at least 2 engines in each car. Add the cost in for the accommodation. 200hp, 206lb-ft would be a damn nice add on in a Cruze RS and a Sonic SS We have the Vote Up and Vote Down buttons in place of the Like button. Look for the red and green arrows. I just keep overlooking stuff.. lol

Just thinking that a "LIKE" button would be kinda cool when the new software arrives. Anyway.. I agree. I think that U should be able to have a choice of at least 2 engines in each car. Add the cost in for the accommodation. 200hp, 206lb-ft would be a damn nice add on in a Cruze RS and a Sonic SS

Do U sell for Benz? Just wondering. Either way.. I would say that Cadillac as of late have been showing a few exclusive engines coming.. the TT V8 is on its way, and I highly doubt that they will use it anything except Cadillac

Prince.. just went to his Baltimore concert about a week ago and it was magnificent From RnR Hall of Fame.. 2004.. Listen to that guitar by the Modern day Mozart himself

Stop lying.. U kno U like Country..

It's no back and forth buddy, I am a doctor to help you find the root cause of your ailment. I just need to diagnose you right before I can put my name on the prescription. Well, I am using your standards of your choice to dispute validity of arguments you are posing about superiority of Mustang. As Drew has said here, just look at the target demographics for these cars and their desires. With that let us bring the thread back to the subject. It is not ONLY PERFORMANCE but balance of performance, utility, fuel economy, fun to drive factors and value. Sure there is a 6/10 of a second sacrifice to 60 mph but it is not going to make someone loose sleep over. When Fiesta can go 10 to 20% farther even with a smaller tank of gas, while offering room for carrying weekend goods, fully loaded with features and carve the roads at the same time at may be 85% of the potential of a true RWD performance car costing more. It is able to park in the smallest of the parking lots in the city. That's why GTI is loved. It is a true all rounder for someone who doesn't need, want, afford or like all out performance. And that is the segment that GM doesn't compete in. And it is performance segment because you do not have base engines making anemic horsepowers and reaching your performance metric of 60 mph in 12 seconds. Just metrics are different my friend. It is a compromise of all and well rounded at everything segment of performance. If you don't like it fine, you have all out Camaro to go to. But where is a GM fan looking for above going to go to? The thing is, and I think U keep missing or ignoring, is that say for instance in your mentioning of the Golf.. GTi in particular.. I have no issue with GM offering a Verano GS, Verano GS Hatch, a Cruze SS, Cruze hatch SS.. even a Sonic SS or RS with actual HP upgrades... then we are in agreement. But the Fiesta ST is not really kicking out, IMO, a worthwhile performance upgrade, not to mention its cargo area, to your utility argument, is nothing to write home about.. and no better than a small trunk. The Sonic at least has a nice sized cargo area, despite being similar in exterior length to the Fiesta. It even comes off as a larger car than the Fiesta,.... which would be like us asking Chevy to create a SPARK SS. Again I get your argument about having a POCKET ROCKET.. I just don't agree that the Fiesta is the one to have.. or in Chevy's case.. a SPARK. Review: I agree with a: Sonic SS (or RS with actual more HP) Cruze SS Verano GS Encore GS Trax SS Focus ST,RS I don't agree with: Spark SS Fiesta ST. No to mention that this segment is somewhat stale and not really producing any numbers to make a real case for. The Fiesta isn't exactly setting the world on fire in terms of sales since the intro of the ST. In fact the Sonic is beating it in sales by a few thousand YTD , and that's WITH the Spark and Trax on the same lot stealing sales. Lastly... I get that U wanna have "a car for everyone" at Chevy.. but looking at my statement above proves that the market apparently does have somewhere to go to at Chevy.. and that the slight uptick in HP really isn't making a huge business case for GM to decide in its favor. Furthermore, your argument could be made for various manufacturers not ALWAYS having a car for everyone seeking a particular niche. Where at Toyota, Honda, or VW can I get a Corvette competitor??? How about at Hyundai for a Pick-up??? Why can't I get an Escalade competitor over at BMW??? Why do I have to settle for a 278HP max Accord Coupe at Honda if I wanted to get back at Chevy for not making the Camaro look like the Gen 2??? Why can't I get a cheap, POS, ugly, pedestrian, snout nosed, $h!ty driving compact Mercedes??? OH WAIT!!! Its a conundrum being me.. as I see what U are saying, and would applaud the intro of several products that handle niche... but then I also see it from a business point of view as well.

No.. my original "argument" was to the point of PERFORMANCE in these cars to dollars. Why would anyone wanting to purchase a performance car.. buy a Fiesta ST when the Mustang is only $1K more? Make your argument with the Focus ST and I would give U some credit.. but the Fiesta ST is not a real stepping stone IMO. The Focus ST actually offers relevant performance. I 'll stick with 0-60 times despite 0-60 being a metric I hate using when talking about performance. The Focus ST,.. 0-60 in 6.1 which is pretty close to Mustang times. The Fiesta ST??? 6.7seconds. The Chevy Volt is now a competitor. Road and Track and WTF am I arguing about Fiestas for??? I Feel like I'm taking Crazy Pills. LMFAO I don't see anywhere mention about performance. But fine I will give your metrics to argue of 0-60 mph. Honda Accord V6 and Camry V6 are faster than your performance oriented V-6 Mustang, Why should I buy the Mustang now, if Accord and Camry satisfy the other aspects, which a Mustang doesn't? You need more of your crazy pills. I this back and forth? Yeah.. 'script me up. 3 refills minimum. The very thread is about performance pocket rockets. Why would I not realize that U was talking about it? Why would one buy Mustang non-GT, I assume since U brought up Camcorder and faster? Well because of non boring styling, RWD handling, iconic name plate, it's not POS Japanese car... to name a few.

No doubt. Imagine pulling up in one of those. I've been in the driver's seat of a colleague's S63 Coupe and was in love. But I have also pressed my face up against the glass and been simply in the presence of the Elmiraj, Ciel, CT6, and Avenir. If GM had all four in production right now, Cadillac (and Buick) discussions on these forums would take a hard right quick fast and in a hurry, and Smk would crawl away with his tail between his legs

This is my background.. with all icons on the Bottom toolbar. I like it clean. I did just steal the two pics in Old's post tho.

Are you saying the pocket rockets are cross shopped with GTRs and Z06s, given Chevy and Nissan's plethora of performance products and therefore should not be needed? As far as why the EFF someone would pay $22K for a GD Fiesta if Mustang is $1K more: Choices - Didn't you say Cadillac is hurting in sales because of what? Choices. GM flourished in the 50s and 60s due to choices and today it doesn't. Utility - Good luck with putting your ovesized utility items in a Mustang when you make trips to Lowes One Car Does It All - Not everyone has luxury or resources to own different types of vehicles for different moods owing to financial, locational, or desirability constraints. But yet want balance of performance, utility, fuel economy and fun to drive. These cars fit the bills. Insurance Cost - Insurance is not going to be same for those two cars. And which one will a cop catch while speeding? Value - You get a lot more value for a $22k fully loaded fiesta than a $23k bottom dweller mustang. So, performance is NOT the only metric here. The effing one trick pony loses to a GD pocket rocket holistically . Well U only quoted part of my post. If U take the time to read what I wrote entirely then U will see that I was not saying that I didn't want them to build pocket rockets.. My post points out that I see WHY they have come to the decision not to in the near future. The part about the Fiesta vs the Mustang stands tho.. Has the car I picked been a Focus the your point would have been valid. There is very limited utility in a Fiesta. The Focus and Cruz? Yeah. I blatantly said the old Cobalt formula should be put in to place for the Cruze. Even the Sonic.. As it is slightly larger than the Fiesta... A car I see as more of girl car that anything else I was seeking clarifications regarding your point there. WHY GM thinks it doesn't need the pocket rockets cannot be logically proved from your statement of so called tiered performance approach that Chevy has but others lack. These cars are going to be bottom of the GM's so called performance steps approach anyways and will not be competing with cars you mentioned in GM's lineup. So GM's logic, if it's per your comment, is flawed. Your initial argument was, why would someone buy Fiesta ST over base Mustang for $1K more. I gave you multitude of reasons as to why one would do so. It seems like you believe the statement for utility is incorrect. Let's look at the numbers: the hatchback offers cargo volume of 10 feet3 (26 feet3 with rear seats folded) compared to 13 feet3 in the Mustang's dickie. So okay I will give that to you are correct about limited utility of the Fiesta, given smaller trunk volume. Although that statement assumes no one is ever going to use hatch's versatility of folding back seats and/or having extra set of doors. Mustang has none such option. But it seems like you have no comments on the rest of the points for Fiesta's superiority, so either you approve what I say or you ignore to point your correctness. As far as Focus ST is concerned, I am glad you didn't include in your comment, otherwise the statement would have made sense like smk's statements - Blatant superlatives with no numbers or solid premises to backup. No.. my original "argument" was to the point of PERFORMANCE in these cars to dollars. Why would anyone wanting to purchase a performance car.. buy a Fiesta ST when the Mustang is only $1K more? Make your argument with the Focus ST and I would give U some credit.. but the Fiesta ST is not a real stepping stone IMO. The Focus ST actually offers relevant performance. I 'll stick with 0-60 times despite 0-60 being a metric I hate using when talking about performance. The Focus ST,.. 0-60 in 6.1 which is pretty close to Mustang times. The Fiesta ST??? 6.7seconds. The Chevy Volt is now a competitor. Road and Track and WTF am I arguing about Fiestas for??? I Feel like I'm taking Crazy Pills. LMFAO

Yeah I figured it out with help from a few. As for the Camaro... its effin GORGEOUS from what I'm seeing. As a past owner of the old.. I can see that this one is an improvement on a design I loved so much

Are you saying the pocket rockets are cross shopped with GTRs and Z06s, given Chevy and Nissan's plethora of performance products and therefore should not be needed? As far as why the EFF someone would pay $22K for a GD Fiesta if Mustang is $1K more: Choices - Didn't you say Cadillac is hurting in sales because of what? Choices. GM flourished in the 50s and 60s due to choices and today it doesn't. Utility - Good luck with putting your ovesized utility items in a Mustang when you make trips to Lowes One Car Does It All - Not everyone has luxury or resources to own different types of vehicles for different moods owing to financial, locational, or desirability constraints. But yet want balance of performance, utility, fuel economy and fun to drive. These cars fit the bills. Insurance Cost - Insurance is not going to be same for those two cars. And which one will a cop catch while speeding? Value - You get a lot more value for a $22k fully loaded fiesta than a $23k bottom dweller mustang. So, performance is NOT the only metric here. The effing one trick pony loses to a GD pocket rocket holistically . Well U only quoted part of my post. If U take the time to read what I wrote entirely then U will see that I was not saying that I didn't want them to build pocket rockets.. My post points out that I see WHY they have come to the decision not to in the near future. The part about the Fiesta vs the Mustang stands tho.. Has the car I picked been a Focus the your point would have been valid. There is very limited utility in a Fiesta. The Focus and Cruz? Yeah. I blatantly said the old Cobalt formula should be put in to place for the Cruze. Even the Sonic.. As it is slightly larger than the Fiesta... A car I see as more of girl car that anything else

LOL... He called him "Nerd"

Yeah... 2016 is gonna be another helluva great year for GM fans.

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