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speaking of... The idea that the CT6 is not an S-Class/7 series competitor is literally under-promising, and over-delivering by Cadillac. Compare: From Benz site: 1) The S-Class Plug-In Hybrid also offers multiple drive modes so you can customize how you want to spend and recover energy. The CT6- Plug-In Hybrid will allow driver to choose among three operating modes named Normal, Sport and Hold: 2) The S-Class Plug-In Hybrid will drive solely on electric power up to 20 miles The CT6 Plug-In Hybrid will drive solely on electric power up to 37 miles The 740e Plug-In Hybrid will drive solely on electric power up to 23 miles 3) S-Class Plug-in Hybrid Combined power output of 436 hp, 479 lb-ft of torque (3.0-liter V6 gasoline engine + electric motor) Acceleration: 0-to-60 mph in 5.2 seconds CT6 Plug-in Hybrid combined power output of 335hp, 432 lb-ft of torque (2.0L Turbo+ Electric motor) Acceleration: TBA.. but I'm betting it is lower than that 5.2 seconds 740e combined power output of 308hp, 332 lb-ft of torque (2.0L Turbo+ Electric motor) in the X5e it gets to 60 in 6.5 seconmds so I would guess it should pull into 60 at about 6.2 in the 740e 4) S-Class Plug-In is est city/highway: 21/26 mpg CT6 Plug-in is est to be more than double that of the conventional CT6 (which we kno is similar in many respects, due to weigh savings, to that of the CTS (2.0L Turbo with 6speed gets 20/30MPG).. so a CT6 Plug in coming in at 40/60mpg??? Keep in mind that the S-Class Plug-In Hybrid is est (by C&D) to come in at an almost "Tahoe like" 5100lbs. I gonna throw the cash down on "Black"

far as I kno VW, Ford, and even PSA have already said they don't want to with FCA. Hell Carlos Ghosn said he was good going it without Sergio. As I said yesterday.. I wouldn't mind GM snagging Jeep, finally giving it the reliable drive line it needs and GM an established Off-Road vehicle WITHIN GMC.. but thats about it,.

As an Impala owner I will simply say that Trunk space (advantage Chevy) and Quiet Tuning (advantage Buick) are true determinants. I love the extra luxury feel of the Lacrosse.. and the update did the styling upscale IMO.. the Impala is beautiful, and I never get bored of people saying it to me. Personally I would go Lacrosse.. but AWD. Not to mention.. Happy Wife means Happy Life.. or so I'm told.. and do my best to still keep the ExWife happy

I'm not sure what the Escalade has to do with the 7-Series or CT6's CAFE scores.What I DO know is that GM was producing half-ton pickups that were producing 25mpg highway with port-injected smallblocks and (if memory serves) four-speed automatics. And that was two truck generations ago. They have the tech in hand, it's just that the customers at the time didn't demand it. Overall corporate CAFE score. The Escalade sells really well and that is actually hurting their score. Not like it is going anywhere but they just need to make the big girl drink a little less. Or, make it bigger! No way was GM making a v8 half ton TWO generations ago that was getting 25mpg. With the bragging rights that they would tout in their commercials there is no way they wouldn't utilize it. When gas was $4/gallon down here(US) the consumer didn't want a truck that got 25mpg???? Hence the reason why U will be seeing a great deal of electrification coming into the Cadillac division over the next few years. I bet by 2018 .. at least half of their vehicles existing and new will have an electric/hybrid option. We already kno that the CT6 will.. I have read that the upcoming XT5 will as well

This, I can not, for the life of me see what the hoopla is over the S-Class outside of the S63AMG and the coupe. The vehicle really does nothing to WOW me. Of the cars below.. the S-Class and the CT6 stand out more as Flagships than any of the rest.. and that's without the CT6 supposedly being a flagship. Again.. and now with the updated 7series:

Reports??? Try coming up with a proposal that will potentially put a few $$$$$ in your pocket. Stress??? Try looking out your office window and seeing a bright shiny Blade Silver topless girl name Sasha begging to be taken for a ride on a sunny day and then turning around to see that U haven't even started to begin this potential $$$$$ proposal. The only thing that keeps me from leaving today is the inevitable day I can say my company is sold.. and I am retiring to go live on a effin 50 footer off the FL Keys Congrads. U gonna leave the big letters on the rear or black them out???

I think the only people who care about that aspect are Cadillac fans.. because whoever buys a 7 Series wants the car for what it is.. not for how much it weighs. Actually, the people who care are about this are enthusiasts. The people who will be wowed by the difference in weight of a 3600 lb 204 inch luxo barge are the actual people that Cadillac is able to give drives in their CT6 vs the 7series. As always I love how U assume that U kno the minds of luxury buyers without being a luxury buyer. That being said... the engine line up is a 4.4-liter twin-turbo V8 producing 445 hp and 480 lb-ft for the 750i xDrive, while the 740i uses a 320-hp, 3.0-liter turbocharged I6. The CT6 will employ a 400 hp (most likely more by time of production) 400 lb-ft for the Platinum and a 335HP 3.6L NA V6 for the base model. Considering the minimum 4100-4900lbs the 7series will now lug around I think if physics and truth gave anything to do with it the Cadillac will be on top. The luxury of it is where the proof will be with either. I've driven and ridden in the current 7series always feeling like they were nice, but easily conquered. The look of the car is bland.. still.. and while the CT6 looks like a beefed up version of the CTS.. which IMO is gorgeous.. this new 7series looks like a beefed up version of a car further down the ladder. Not the 5 series.. but the 3. Interior??? That remains to be seen. We got a look at a pre-production interior for the CT6.. I was impressed. Enthusiasts aren't commuting around in a 7 Series.. They would gladly buy something smaller that is built around the "Enthusiast". And anybody can be a luxury buyer so to exclude somebody without knowing anything isn't very accurate. it's like assuming an enthusiast will be buying and driving a CT6 or 7 Series or S Class daily because they are "driver's cars". If they are buying these cars it isn't because of how sporty and athletic they drive(because none of them are at 204in wheelbase). It's for how luxurious and tech packed they are and can get after it if they want to. I have nothing against the CT6, btw. I think it looks great even if it looks similar to the CTS. I just don't care about how little it weighs nor will its customers. But like Drew said it helps them squeeze extra range out of the hybrids and gas models, the power goes further, suspension tuning can be done supporting less weight. But the buyer will literally just want it to drive fantastic. And, to me, all of the cars in this class probably drive superbly. I doubt any of them actually drive like an "averave car". I mean how many years as the S Class pushed 5000lbs and nobody gives a crap..? The S-Class pushing 5000 lbs is irrelevant in years prior. CAFE is coming.. and weight needs to go down for the years coming. Fuel efficiency will become a luxury feature in and of itself. People in this income bracket do care about fuel efficiency if for no other reason than they don't want to have to constantly get out of the car to fill it up. Foregone conclusion is that they don't, but that is silly.. as being wealthy demands that U stay wealthy. Watching money being pumped into your tank is depressing when not recreational. A daily commute that costs U $60 every 3 days is not attractive to anyone. Anyway.. One feature I do think is novel, but cool as hell is the 7Series ability to remotely park itself. Props for that $h!.. and every maker should be looking to do the same. Its just cool. I also like the Gesture UI. As long as it works it will be a very cool feature indeed. These are the only two real things I see as beating the CT6 in tech.. It will depend how available it is tho.. as if this is a feature (the two of them) that is only available in a extremely upper package.. then its pie in the sky. For instance if its a part of a $9995 package then I could see some completely leaving it off the menu car when they buy

Interesting that the CT8 is already in the pipeline before the CT6 arrives. The Park Ave is most likely the ACTUAL Avenir because I can't imagine the Lacrosse being that far up the poll. It would make Buick pretty much on par with Lexus in all ways, judging by the amenities shown in the Avenir concept. The Park Ave, in China was definitely a LS460 competitor. Wondering if the CT8 is gonna be the living, and breathing version of the Ciel.. which will, without a doubt give Cadillac their unapologetic "S-Class" competitor.. altho I still say the CT6 will enjoy that distinction as well on the bottom end. With the 2016 Model year coming up in the next 2 months.. we will only see about 2-3 years before the Cadillac line has 2 new CUVs (finally) added to the new XT5, CT6, and CT8.. revised CTS (CT4) and ATS (CT2) are coming as well.. with the timing exactly where I thought it would be.. both will most likely be a smidgen larger in scale to shut backseat bitchers up. So by late 2018, for '19 MY CT2 CT4 CT6 CT8 XT5 XT3 XT7 Escalade XTS and ELR remain until 2018 at least and maybe a few extra suprises. GMC takes the lead on Acadia coming out first.. and then the Traverse and Enclave in '17 Notice that I still don't see the Supra in Toyota's line

more manufacturers plans at link: Car Wars Via Autonews

How much to wrap a C7 in Velocity Yellow?

I think the only people who care about that aspect are Cadillac fans.. because whoever buys a 7 Series wants the car for what it is.. not for how much it weighs. Actually, the people who care are about this are enthusiasts. The people who will be wowed by the difference in weight of a 3600 lb 204 inch luxo barge are the actual people that Cadillac is able to give drives in their CT6 vs the 7series. As always I love how U assume that U kno the minds of luxury buyers without being a luxury buyer. That being said... the engine line up is a 4.4-liter twin-turbo V8 producing 445 hp and 480 lb-ft for the 750i xDrive, while the 740i uses a 320-hp, 3.0-liter turbocharged I6. The CT6 will employ a 400 hp (most likely more by time of production) 400 lb-ft for the Platinum and a 335HP 3.6L NA V6 for the base model. Considering the minimum 4100-4900lbs the 7series will now lug around I think if physics and truth gave anything to do with it the Cadillac will be on top. The luxury of it is where the proof will be with either. I've driven and ridden in the current 7series always feeling like they were nice, but easily conquered. The look of the car is bland.. still.. and while the CT6 looks like a beefed up version of the CTS.. which IMO is gorgeous.. this new 7series looks like a beefed up version of a car further down the ladder. Not the 5 series.. but the 3. Interior??? That remains to be seen. We got a look at a pre-production interior for the CT6.. I was impressed.

I'm no way as nice as Drew in conversations like this. Put it bluntly.. don't kno what U are talking about... , and seem to have no clue how the whole thing works. Last year GMC sold 501K vehicles and was up 12% from 2013. It sold them at about a $1500 premium over its Chevy counterpart with about $50 worth of changes.. OK.. a wee bit more, but not much. But count it. $1500 more on top of what Chevy charges X 500K more equals about $750,000,000 more in ATPs than the Chevy counterpart which was already making big bucks due to massive volume of the Silvy, Tahoe, and Suburban. The Acadia and Terrain also benefited due to the massive sales of the Traverse and Nox. Putting DENALI in the mix only makes that $1500 go up another few thousand.. hence GMC putting Denali on almost everything they sell. Buick is doing a similar thing with donor Chevys and Opels

1) Jeeps Off Road: I still present Hummer. I present the system in the Encore. I present the system in the Trailblazer abroad 2) SRT Performance pages??? The only thing that the SRT performance pages has that the GM interface doesn't is the Red and Black key. 3) I have TFT guages in my Stingray. They are in Cadillac and in the 2016 Camaro. They are said to be going thru-out after 2016 MY 4) The UI systems are debatable. I thing that UConnect is simple but not better by any means. 5) Chrysler's Multi-Displacement is not better than GM DOD/AFM. That being sais. . we are debating BENEFITS not present at GM already. I could debate that GM had the first auto-starter, but how is that relevant? 6) In regards to the Unibody. That is debatable.. and again.. not hard for GM to yank from its vastness 7) Minivan??? U don;t wanna kno my thoughts on minivans. Find Vexner and ask him. Frankly GM has minivans already here.. they just lack the sliding door and sissiness of it all. They are called Enclave, Acadia, and Traverse Again.. where are the technologies that are beneficial in a MERGER for GM? That's... exactly what happened. Numbers rounded for simplicity: They got $50 billion of TARP money $40 billion was converted to equity that the government owned. The remaining $10 billion was considered a loan that GM would have to pay back. About $7 billion of that $10 billion balance was held in escrow to be used only if GM really needed it. GM paid back a couple billion from their earnings. GM decided they didn't need the rest of the loan, so returned the remaining TARP money back to the government, thus paying off the loan part of the TARP. Exactly. I would have done the same thing. $10Billion made interest. Pay it back.. and keep the interest. Good business

Edit: I see U answered my reason why U bought. Air suspension and Ecodiesel. U and I will agree that not only do GM and Ford have the ability to do both... but neither are a reason to want to merge with FCA and their plethora of MORE problems.

I'm still failing to see where the LX platform would be beneficiary for GM who has ZETA, it could dust off, Alpha.. and Omega. Jeep is an asset. Ram??? Only because of existing owners. What again was your reasoning behind buying this over a Silvy/Sierra? The only two I can think of is U liked the "18 Wheeler" styling more, the avail Diesel, and/or the price being cheaper than the GM or Ford counterpart Their tech??? As it stands the only real thing that FCA has going into the upcoming CAFE mandate is the Fiat 500E.. which isn't gonna offset $h! Cerberus-Style?? I'm thinking Daimler style.. with this time instead of being left with better platforms with the LX and W166 from Benz.. this time it gets better interiors.

Where?? Seriously. Give examples. Even better. Give examples that GM doesn't have already.

Battle Royale?? Dude.. I hardly see U. But for the sake of the new forum.. and MY desire to have peace here.. but if U want to Battle Royal.. .. with me.. let's go back to MT...

What are U referring to? My post above was more relative to the almost stalker-ish attitude of Sergio regarding GM marry him. U failed.. again.. to address what was written. Everything I wrote can be reconciled and seen from the view points of countless analysts, insiders, and business folk. I ask U... What does GM stand to benefit from a MERGER with FCA other that the things I pointed out?? And Wouldn't it be cheaper simply to add those things to the existing portfolio via itself? Corvette could be expanded and given its own brand.. WITH a next tier level of luxury due to its brand heritage both on and off the track. GM also has Cadillac which it could, like Mercedes, simply offer a "super-car" based off their own engineering. (That one I this is actually coming. ) GMC. This is one of the most profitable makes on the planet. It takes almost zero engineering to make.. and on top of that people don't mind seeming paying the premium over the donor brand. It is actually more premium than Jeep, and on the upper echelon (Denali) some what competitive with Land Rover (I did say "some what.") To top it off.. Hummer was competitive with Land Rover, and GM still holds the rights to the brand. They have the engineering. The H3 was a capable, if not more so in off-roading than the Wrangler. The H4 was on its way and ready to go before the slashing of brands. Brand perception due to the ostentatious of HUMMER aside.. the engineering to have a Jeep competitor, with little investment dollars exists within GMC/Hummer. They wouldn't even have to market it as Hummer by itself. They could simply call it GMC and tag it the GMC "H2" Hummer, like the do the GMC "Yukon" Denali. I think it would be a horrible merger and IF that is what he is thinking, it is a bad idea. now, a tech exchange could make total sense. Working together on future tech makes sense, but they overlap WAY too much to make good merger partners. I also can't really understand what EITHER weould gain. they both have popular models. FCA needs no help with large cars or SUVs. Maybe FCA could benefit from access to the Alpha platform for an interim pony (but please FCA keep the Challenger the large GT car it is!) while GM could benefit from Jeeps line, especially the platform under the Grand cherokee/Durango. they both have decent eninges in V6 and V8 ranges, but BOTH need work on their 4 cylinders. Reall, there isn't much to make such a merger make sense. Working together on future tech doesn't require a merger. Ford and GM.. Toyota and BMW.. to name a few are working on future tech without any talk of mergers. Collaborative efforts are thru out the industry. merger is never brought up. Sergio wants consolidation of the industry. It would be his swan song and that's it. He has an ego.. and it would be his contribution. The problem is that he should have applied for the job of CEO of GM back in 2009.. instead of continuing at Fiat. He could have then had an easier time doing this. The issue from GM's point of view is that if it wanted FCA's market share.. it could do so without FCA. It really wouldn't be hard outside of Jeep, and they do have enough cash on hand to actually buy if if it was put up.

A bit hypocritical of you stew. You have done far worse regarding Ford. Far, far worse. Nope, I actually stick o the facts, not speculation. And my opinion, not speculation. Casa is spewing a lot of speculation when there really is nothing to back it up and he isn't remotely respectful. And I give Ford and GM props, when deserved, as i do FCA. SAeriously, Casa is the only guy I know so obsessed with GM he gets banned from GM sites, wait, what???? And I think it is totally hilarious that you 2 are taking each other's side, at least i haven't badmouthed you in PMs....... I bad mouth Wings to his fat ass Greek face. He knows it. He comes back with a thick-skinned approach that I respect. We are not "besties" but we are both THICK-SKINNED. Me getting banned from GMI was because I supposedly went against their cardinal rule of badmouthing GM and arguing with some of their founding members. My reputation at the time preceded me and they figured I was a loose cannon. LOL.. as U are talking to Wings who was banned from FIN.. As for my speculation I am only speaking of the possibilities of a GM-FCA merger.. which the entire business/automotive world is as well.

Put me on your ignore list... I won't do the same. I like reading foolish commentary by people who swear to be holier than thou.. and non-biased, while at the same time.. holding a company as effed up as Fix it Again Tony high up on the latter of greatness. I constantly pull GM out about their faults.. the existing cars are very seldom their issue.. its the ones they choose to forego... markets they choose to ignore. The Malibu might be their biggest screw up in recent history.. and even that car is still at least 5th on the market. Its biggest flaw??? The rear seat room. An issue that I have " no dog in that fight." The ELR??? Awesome car, but over priced for essentially a two seater. Issue with car? NONE. ATS and CTS sales??? Well lets see. The CTS sees a drop in sales from last Gen after a major price hike and a drop of variations. How much of a drop? About 40%. How much of a percentage did the Coupe and VSeries account for? About 40%. Wagon was a bonus. ATS needs the same CArs that it competes with are brands in and of themselves in variation. casa, hold on, the CTS sold with an avg incentive last year (2014) of $9,213 and this year kicked off with a $3K price drop and $2,200 worth of options now offered for free (per link below). Combined with the V and V-Sport series being offered this year, it still saw a 38% drop last month, one of GM's best months in a long while. And the ATS has always, from it's first full year, needed large incentives to move in volumes that are not exactly note worthy either. And it too has V series variations as well. So you need new excuses for their sales numbers, especially with the entire brand down 6.5% last year, where the segment was up significantly for most others. http://www.autonews.com/article/20150107/RETAIL/150109928/cadillac-drops-price-on-cts-sedan-by-up-to-$3000 No offense Wings.. The portion on Cadillac was directed at another poster in response to him saying that I was ignorant or ignoring GM faults. I followed with the issues currently prevalent.. If U wish to have a Cadillac sales argument.. then go into one of the Cadillac threads. Let's stay on topic.. and talk about FCA OK, and agreed Thanks. If U notice even I have toned down my ways in an effort to kill the BS. Arguing with that *** Stew aside.. I am trying to keep this place devoid of the silly BS that we experienced at MT/AWCC and CF. The real deal is that we are all about a decade older, and despite our love of certain brands, for me.. logic is the direction from which I will make my arguments. Some will say that my support of GM-only in my driveway is an example of me being illogical, but to that I say why? For me.. GM has the qualities I enjoy in an automaker. 1) Reliability: I have had little to no issues with my GM vehicles. I have had no issue such as I had with my Toyotas, Mazda, Nissans, BMW, or even the Benz I once owned but won't admit to. 2) Styling: Some may not notice but I have been a fan of GM styling more so since Ed Welburn took over. At this point I think that his team designs the best looking cars on the road with few exceptions per segment. 3) Performance: For me the performance from the factory on the GM vehicles is absolutely top notch. Add to that the ability to easily tune them.. and reliably so.. and to me I have a winner. 4) Cost: I am well-off, but I still look for an overall bargain. For me.. a Cadillac is superior or on par with anything from BMW or Benz that it ACTUALLY competes, with better styling, and better reliability. Same thing for Corvette vs a comparable Porsche, GTR, or Viper. For a daily driver what is really that much better than the Impala in its price range? The Avalon is ugly IMO.. the Taurus, while nice, isn't as great a handler, the Azera??? Hell no . It would take another another level of segment to make me happier than what my Impala brings. I mean it is basically an XTS underneath. Same thing goes for my Yukon 5) American: There are only two manufacturers I would consider right now anyway.. for my principals. GM or Ford. To me Chrysler is not an American company. On top of that they only have a few vehicles I find attractive in the Challenger, Grand Cherokee, Ram and Viper. Each one of those has a competitor to choose from via GM or Ford in the Camaro/Mustang, Acadia/Explorer, Silvy/Sierra/F150, and Corvette.

What are U referring to? My post above was more relative to the almost stalker-ish attitude of Sergio regarding GM marry him. U failed.. again.. to address what was written. Everything I wrote can be reconciled and seen from the view points of countless analysts, insiders, and business folk. I ask U... What does GM stand to benefit from a MERGER with FCA other that the things I pointed out?? And Wouldn't it be cheaper simply to add those things to the existing portfolio via itself? Corvette could be expanded and given its own brand.. WITH a next tier level of luxury due to its brand heritage both on and off the track. GM also has Cadillac which it could, like Mercedes, simply offer a "super-car" based off their own engineering. (That one I this is actually coming. ) GMC. This is one of the most profitable makes on the planet. It takes almost zero engineering to make.. and on top of that people don't mind seeming paying the premium over the donor brand. It is actually more premium than Jeep, and on the upper echelon (Denali) some what competitive with Land Rover (I did say "some what.") To top it off.. Hummer was competitive with Land Rover, and GM still holds the rights to the brand. They have the engineering. The H3 was a capable, if not more so in off-roading than the Wrangler. The H4 was on its way and ready to go before the slashing of brands. Brand perception due to the ostentatious of HUMMER aside.. the engineering to have a Jeep competitor, with little investment dollars exists within GMC/Hummer. They wouldn't even have to market it as Hummer by itself. They could simply call it GMC and tag it the GMC "H2" Hummer, like the do the GMC "Yukon" Denali.

None of these makers wants to touch FCA. There is a rumor that a great deal of its books are cooked.. and that even the sales numbers that we are seeing are not always a REAL-ality. FCA's only real asset is Jeep. That's it. Ferrari is spun off so I doubt it would even be a real consideration if the merger occurred. Over at Allpar some idiot actually suggested that GM would benefit from getting the LX platform.. the LX Platform!!! Goes to show U that the absolute ignorance of fanboism. I say again that the only thing that GM would benefit from would be Jeep.. and the off chance of getting Ferrari and maaaaaaaaaaybe Maserati. The latter being a big maybe as I really feel as tho that ship sailed in the 80s.. and the remnants of its cache are attached to those still stuck in that time. Review: Jeep: Absolutely a benefit to GM. The name is iconic.. and its vehicles are well known in the off-road community. Would I could see is the engines being replaced by GM engines and trannys. Why pay an OE like ZF for tech that U already build yourself? On the larger front they could stand to benefit from GMC ad GM engineering in terms of powertrain and reliability Fiat: No benefit to anyone.. not even Fiat. They are a money loser in the way Saab was a money loser costing way to much to make, not being able to be sold at the premium necessary to recoup cost. The benefit of Saab was that it had great engineering that worked in synergy with Opel and onward to GM.. in particular Turbos. Fiat.. NONE of that. Ferrari: GM has Corvette.. but having Ferrari and Corvette would essentially give GM the prestige that eludes the Corvette brand simply because its American and under the "every man's brand" Chevy (Should have always been a Cadillac). I wonder tho.. as GM once owned Lotus, and Ford owned Aston and Jag.. none of which ever brought any real benefits to the American brands. I am convinced that Ferrari would still be an asset as long as GM allowed it to run as it is. Dodge: The only reason I'd keep Dodge is because of the demise of Pontiac and a need for Rental cars. Dodge would be that. No one wants to hear it, but at the end of the day the only vehicle that is not heavy fleet at Dodge is the Challenger. The Hellcat motor??? Nope.. Chevy has an equal engine despite it having less HP.. which I believe is a marketing ploy and for simple reasons due to a down sized blower. Ram: I would keep it for the sake of current Ram buyers. That's it. It offers no benefit over the Silvy/Sierra other than price. The diesel??? Seriously if GM wanted to put a diesel in their 1500 it would be there. I could see it being left in play for about a gen or two.. but at some point someone is gonna come along and say "WTF are we selling 3 Pick-Up brands trucks for?" Chrysler: I'm sorry. This one is around strictly for the sake of Mopar fans. I could see the name continuing so there is no back-lash ala Pontiac, but the dealership count would drop by 60%. Seriously.. why have Chrysler when U have BUICK.. which is selling 1.2Million + globally? Alfa: ??? Another money loser and like Lancia would be a regional brand pretty much exclusive to Italy. Abarth, SRT, and Mopar would continue in their own functions for the brands they are currently assigned Benefit to FCA??? Survival. Currently Fiat is about $14 Billion in debt that we kno of. I could easily see GM merging the assets but Bankrupting Fiat in Europe. The majority of Fiat there is in a losing competition with Opel. Chrylser fans will balk at what I'm saying from their own Fanboi and enthusiastic reasoning.. but from a business stand point what I'm saying is true. Well actually the truth is that GM really doesn't need any of this as they really should be working on their own issues with expanding Cadillac . The Jeep thing could be summed up with a revisit to the Hummer line, with a slight bit less ostentatious approach via GMC. Having the GMC professional grade branding with true off-road capable vehicles.. which existed within Hummer would make the Jeep commentary null. In that situation a line-up with a returned H3, H3T, a smaller H4, and a simple Coloroa/Canyon ZR2 based SUV the size of the GC would make my point even more valid, because in reality the pick-of the litter at Jeep is pretty much the GC, the Cherokee, and the Wrangler

Put me on your ignore list... I won't do the same. I like reading foolish commentary by people who swear to be holier than thou.. and non-biased, while at the same time.. holding a company as effed up as Fix it Again Tony high up on the latter of greatness. I constantly pull GM out about their faults.. the existing cars are very seldom their issue.. its the ones they choose to forego... markets they choose to ignore. The Malibu might be their biggest screw up in recent history.. and even that car is still at least 5th on the market. Its biggest flaw??? The rear seat room. An issue that I have " no dog in that fight." The ELR??? Awesome car, but over priced for essentially a two seater. Issue with car? NONE. ATS and CTS sales??? Well lets see. The CTS sees a drop in sales from last Gen after a major price hike and a drop of variations. How much of a drop? About 40%. How much of a percentage did the Coupe and VSeries account for? About 40%. Wagon was a bonus. ATS needs the same CArs that it competes with are brands in and of themselves in variation. casa, hold on, the CTS sold with an avg incentive last year (2014) of $9,213 and this year kicked off with a $3K price drop and $2,200 worth of options now offered for free (per link below). Combined with the V and V-Sport series being offered this year, it still saw a 38% drop last month, one of GM's best months in a long while. And the ATS has always, from it's first full year, needed large incentives to move in volumes that are not exactly note worthy either. And it too has V series variations as well. So you need new excuses for their sales numbers, especially with the entire brand down 6.5% last year, where the segment was up significantly for most others. http://www.autonews.com/article/20150107/RETAIL/150109928/cadillac-drops-price-on-cts-sedan-by-up-to-$3000 No offense Wings.. The portion on Cadillac was directed at another poster in response to him saying that I was ignorant or ignoring GM faults. I followed with the issues currently prevalent.. If U wish to have a Cadillac sales argument.. then go into one of the Cadillac threads. Let's stay on topic.. and talk about FCA

Put me on your ignore list... I won't do the same. I like reading foolish commentary by people who swear to be holier than thou.. and non-biased, while at the same time.. holding a company as effed up as Fix it Again Tony high up on the latter of greatness. I constantly pull GM out about their faults.. the existing cars are very seldom their issue.. its the ones they choose to forego... markets they choose to ignore. The Malibu might be their biggest screw up in recent history.. and even that car is still at least 5th on the market. Its biggest flaw??? The rear seat room. An issue that I have " no dog in that fight." The ELR??? Awesome car, but over priced for essentially a two seater. Issue with car? NONE. ATS and CTS sales??? Well lets see. The CTS sees a drop in sales from last Gen after a major price hike and a drop of variations. How much of a drop? About 40%. How much of a percentage did the Coupe and VSeries account for? About 40%. Wagon was a bonus. ATS needs the same CArs that it competes with are brands in and of themselves in variation.

If GM is found liable, shouldn't the Government be held so as well. N.H.T.S.A, after two Cobalt crashes, investigated the cause, each time raising the possibility of a defect. They met with GM but never opened a broader investigation into whether the car was defective. Never forcing GM to actually do a Recall. The FEDERAL GOV'T was made aware of the situation and DID NOTHING. If the company gets sued, so should the Gov't. Again since GM was found liable, the Government should be held so as well. N.H.T.S.A, after two Cobalt crashes, investigated the cause, each time raising the possibility of a defect. They met with GM but never opened a broader investigation into it. This is the purpose of the NHTSA. Not only that... the car czars were supposedly going over GM, with a fine tooth comb, hence responsibility would and should still remain with the Government that owned a controlling stake in the company for 5 years