Cmicasa the Great

Where do you live that you still see Cavaliers on the road? Ho-LEE They're all over here too. Balto/Washington too. The Cavalier was not a bad car.... it was just cheaply made, but as cheap as it was.. the actually "turned the wrench a bit tight on those nuts and bolts." I haven't seen a Escort in years tho. As if they quietly shipped them all off to South America or something

Never saw anything in the official press release about the 2.0T being the base engine, only that there would be a hybrid system PAIRED with the 2.0T offered on the car. I'm pretty sure the base engine will be the 335 hp V6. From what I've seen.. this is the case. The thing is that I really hate the fact that the Cadillac has to do this with a car that weighs in at 3650lbs. Understand that those 3650lbs are being pushed by a 335HP V6. Audi on the other hand gets a pass on the A8 coming in at 4365lbs.. a WHOPPING 700lbs more.. yet they offer a 333hp/325lbs engine in the base A8. I say that the CT6 should be able to keep up with the A8 even if they DID offer the 272HP/295lbs 2.0L Turbo in as a base.

Except for the loathsome Sync system, the Enclave is already starting to fall behind on the powertrain. However, Enclave has 3-row seating. Yeah.. but after 9 years on the market.. the KEY word U typed was "Starting." I don't kno how with the hate of FWD.. but GM hit a Home Run with the Lambdas.. no.. since there were 4.. I'll call it a GRAND SLAM!!! New on will be here soon.. and I'm confident the engines will be upgraded

Loving the CT6... seriously making me wonder if the power of my Stingray is enough.. and instead of the CTS-V.. I should opt for a shiny new CT6 3.0LTT Platinum look at that stance... If U can't appreciate the subtle changes that they did to enhance this over the already magnificent CTS in terms of styling then U really are blind or were foolish enough to believe the ElMiraj was coming to production 3 years after it debuted as a concept AKA design study

Its a fact that I see more of the Cobalt coupes than I see sedans. That's now.. and when it was on sale. I always kicked me in the ass why GM only did one variant of the Cruze. Ironically it still sold in numbers that I'm sure put Honda and Toyota on notice.. a coupla time toppling them from the top spot

Enclave??? The Envision is coming. Both of those have their hands full with this... Nope.. like the dynamic duo Silvy/Sierra.. Chevy/GMC use their Traverse/Acadia to deal with that. Currently the two are outselling the Explorer by about 2K YTD. That's with the two GM CUVs having on lot competition from their bigger sisters the Tahoe and Yukon

The reason you're getting down-voted is because you're basing your judgement of the car on the current Cruze hatchback and not the one that will be revealed shortly. LMFAO. Leave it to Nutz. He never ceases to amaze me in his attempts to belittle a GM vehicle. Looks to me like Chevy has gotten serious. They are firing on all cylinders and funny enough... the new Cruze, Volt and Malibu may just be the first cars to come out of Chevy that weren't paid for in a Pre-BK deficit. The current Cruze, Malibu, Camaro, Impala, SS, Caprice, Volt, Spark, Sonic, and even Stingray were all in the works when GM filed Chapt 11 six years ago. This car, if it improves on the current vehicle's success by just 20%, will possibly make for the first time forever that a domestic owned a car segment in sales, let alone compact car sales

Enclave??? The Envision is coming.

Music to my ears... That sentenced reminded me of an argument I once had... Me as well.. with the biggest troll on this thread, no less, in a far away place I helped to create and.. see wither away. GM marketing decided not to market Ecotec in the proper fashion that Ford decided to do with their Ecoboost. 260HP/260lbs of jump... in 2008 vs Ford's 240HP back then.. and 272HP 295lbs of jump vs Ford 245/275.

If it's a case of limited dollars for new product launches then I'd say go with your hot hand. The Camaro droptop is a surefire seller, and likely in large quantities. As much as I'd like to see an ATS droptop, I'll grit my teeth and say that GM made the right call here. GM no longer has "limited dollars." The investment in a chopping of an existing top would be minimal.. and the premium they could charge on a Cadillac, even if they made it exclusive to a "Special Edition" VSport ATS with 75 less Ponies

my Yes. The media drives are late summer / early fall. More than likely, William or I will get to test one out to give you our opinion. Because the best time for convertibles is when the sun is hottest or winter is approaching??? I love GM but sometimes they really do drag $h! out to times that are simply insane. In fact.. I still remain confused as to how and why a Camaro.. which isn't even out yet is on the same platform as an ATS that has been on the market since 2013.. is getting a convertible and the Caddy isn't It has more to do with when the car goes on sale. Early to Mid-September is perfect convertible weather in my view. I understand this to a degree, but for me.. top comes off in April.. My larger point remains that the ATS .. and CTS should have convertibles along with coupes (CTS) now.

Yes. The media drives are late summer / early fall. More than likely, William or I will get to test one out to give you our opinion. Because the best time for convertibles is when the sun is hottest or winter is approaching??? I love GM but sometimes they really do drag $h! out to times that are simply insane. In fact.. I still remain confused as to how and why a Camaro.. which isn't even out yet is on the same platform as an ATS that has been on the market since 2013.. is getting a convertible and the Caddy isn't

Hyper.. U are correct in your belief that GM is gonna be moving more toward the use of CFiber. Aluminum, magnesium, carbon fiber and woven mesh will be included in Chevy's let alone Cadillacs to drive down weight. It was employed extensively thru out the Chevy Bolt in an effort to help maximize range.

What this place needs is a real asswipe faux elitist. Anyone know a dude named sfbreh or mgescuro?

come one bud.. I knu what U were referring, not to mention it inspired the Sixteen

Say what U want.. I see Sex on Wheels... Look at that Ass

And that's the thing.. the needed product is actually here are coming soon. The ATS and CTS are the foundation of what is coming. They are the building blocks. The suggestion to include a convertible, coupe and wagon aren't about just wanting product for the sake of product.. but covering niche avenues without even having to invest heavily in multiple cars to boost sales and profits. The ATS and CTS should encompass 3 other vehicles within their own branding. There should be a CTS, CTS, CTE, and conversely a CTS-V, CTC-V, and CTE-V.. on top of that.. a CTX (CUV) wash, rinse, repeat for the ATS. How does one get 13,000 3/4series sales? By having product avail for consumption. I've used this example to death.. but I Love Cadillac.. HATE foreign cars.. ALL of them.. but if I absolutely needed a convertible luxury car.. I'm not even able to put my favorite company on the list. I'd have to buy a Bentley, BMW, Audi, Benz, Jag, Lexus, or Infiniti. That's a fact

Priorities are holding the car back. The ATS must come with the same hardware as its 5 most immediate competitors or it instantly loses a sale here.. a sale there. A Convertible at GM, other than at Chevy, should have been numero uno thought when the Alpha Platform was created. With the new Camaro already getting a convertible, it is proof positive that the Alpha platform can accommodate a ragtop. No way in hell a Camaro should have that option and the Flagship brand at GM doesn't have one to speak of in its entire line-up. Mercedes has a convertible C-Class, Eclass, SLK, SL, and S-Class coming. BMW has a convertible Z, 4series, and 6 series, Audi has an A5 Vert, R8, and TT.. Lexus and Infiniti even have a convertible in their entry level vehicle.. not one from the entirely of GM except at Chevy.. which are niche sports coupes mostly geared towards MEN.. the lower car buying demographic. ' AT CADILLAC.. 3000 sales are just a piece of the puzzle that needs to be put together sure.. but most importantly it is a PIECE. No sale should be loss due to lack of product.

Granted.. I agree. Accept the term of "A&E" when it is A&S. MAybe U were typing from a auto-correcting cell phone. Not sure. The part about "international taste and luxury backgrounds" absolutely spot on.. Johan and Uwe are picked form the best time of Audi and BMW respectively. I have a great deal of faith in them.. .and Reuss, Ammann, and Barra allowing them the go head to do what must be done. Johan at the onset of his leadership stated to dealers that sales would drop.. before they rose.. certain people constantly use that as a measure of success.. this is false. Cadillac above all else has regained its claim to the segment. The ATS, CTS, CT6, Escalade, even SRX and XTS.. cohesively are solidifying its return to Tier one. CORRECTION of my original post: Sales are a gauge of success in the mainstream, NOT so in the luxury segment. (I was on my phone when I typed it and somehow autotype made the word MORE instead of NOT) I hope to hell that no one here is using that photoshopped MESS as a look see of what the CT8 will look like. It will more likely look like the Ciel, with the CT7 coupe looking like the El Miraj Why not use it as the measuring stick. It is tangible. It is a masterful effort.. blending technology, stateliness, and strong presence to create a vehicle anyone looking for a large luxo should be proud of. This is NOT a rehash of the Fritz Henderson/Brian Nesbit compromise of the XTS... a great car in its own right. This is ground up build of a 204inch, 3600lb, culmination of Art and Science. I'm betting that the CT8 will be a slightly larger, tweaked design of the Ciel with a few more trimming over the CT6. That's saying something. BTW.. the CTS and CT6 are tweaked versions of the Ciel's design.

Go back and look at the facts. The Allante and XLR flopped because Cadillac.. or rather GM lost interest and never.. not once really updated these cars after the first year. The XLR was on a C5 platform... even after the C6 debuted. The STS-V didn't flop.. GM changed course in the midst of a BK.. a great deal of programs got moved. The STS lives.. as the CTS and CTS-V What you just described wreaked of little more than a playful and experimental series of new flavors of product by a generous and forward thinking brand, but the reality most know is that Cadillac is not gaining any traction in it's many failed experimental attempts at a ultra premium product. That is why we are wondering about the 8. And it is a valid concern, as we witness the CTS struggling currently without adequate incentive, as they prepare a very similar CT6 that is even more costlier. There in lies the problem.. I have looked at the numbers and voiced my reasons of WHY the CTS, arguably the best in its class.. the ATS.. arguably the best in its class.. are struggling in the sales race. I have said it time and time again. Sales are not the gauge of failure unless sales are the only thing one looks to achieve. Cadillac is in the middle of its first real attempt at taking on the leaders in the field. This is in both material and perception. Sales numbers are a gauge of success in the mainstream, more so in the Luxury segment. Personally I am not one who gets excited when they see another Cadillac pulling up resembling mine. I enjoy the inadvertent exclusivity. If I were a 3series owner who bought for the sake of luxury, or exclusivity I'd be pissed. Hell part of the reason why I was OK with getting rid of my Camaro was because I started seeing them too often. To your point about not gaining traction... Cadillac has already jumped the first, second, and third hurdle. Cadillac is simply better at more things than the German rivals these days. The areas where it lags are fixable, and consistently coming, building.. moving forward. Point blank we are not talking about Lincoln here,, or Lexus. The issues with Cadillac normally can be summed up in lack of marketing, lack of product, and a reluctance to, up til recently, Dare Greatly. CUE is fixed. The larger backseat is coming in 2 years.. not that its a concern to me. Escalade, ATS/ CTS-V, and CT6 will prime the world for the CT8. Anyone thinking that this would be a quick fix hasn't looked at the reality of things for a long time. Cadillac isn't just battling within the realm of the segment, but battling within the automotive industry because of its origin. The entire brand actually is a mimic of the Corvette. 95% better than the foreign exotics competition, but marred and historically held back because of where it originated. I hope Cadillac simply builds the better car... I do appreciate your words casa, and I have certainly always appreciated your passion for GM and especially Cadillac. Unlike some who like to piss on such passion calling it names, I have always embraced it, although in a different flavor for me personally, and I know you know this. And it is very difficult to counter your words above, which are mostly and essentially excellent points as we all know them to logically be. So then, maybe it will be little more than a long road to get there. And I do in fact wish them success and I also know you know that I cheer American first. So, that all said, I will watch with great anticipation and excitement as yet another extreme fan, where our respective favorite luxury brands go in the coming years and just how customers receive them. I think times have changed a plenty, with respect to segment preference (CUV vs sedan), technology, brand image and of course, style preference. Which simply means, IMO, that in an era where people are more impressed with an iwatch than they are a Rolex, that we should expect the unexpected. I think these sort of disruptions in the norm are finding their way into luxury class as well. And lets face it, luxury today is found everywhere, including Korean brands for Pete's sake, so the lines are also blurred and everywhere to step over. Here is what I know for sure. There is not set formula. A smart luxury brand needs to look forward like a unique startup, and question everything and consider everything. Chasing one formula, literally letter for letter, does not guarantee success. I think the CT6 is the epitome of NOT chasing a uniform formula. The CTS and ATS certainly looked at BMW in terms of performance and handling.. but they both are more luxurious than either the 3series or 5series.

The thing is that CT6, at the moment, with its amenities, innovations, take on the segment, I see no real reason to believe that the car is "half-assed." I realize that U were not specifically calling this car one, but the truth is that some on these forums are because Cadillac is not calling it an S-Class competitor. Lets look at this from a state of realism tho. The CT6 is coming off as a 7series, XJ, A8, and LS competitor. It is seemingly a 95% S-Class like the aforementioned vehicles. None of them have "CT8s" on the horizon that I kno of. Point is, if the CT6 is damn near there already... where is the CT8 gonna be in terms of position?

Speaking of the Alpha platform... did U read that the Camaro Convertible is ready for debut? Proof positive if what I mean by product issues. The ATS is 3 years in .. and no convertible. Camaro hasn't even hit the roads yet. WTF???

Go back and look at the facts. The Allante and XLR flopped because Cadillac.. or rather GM lost interest and never.. not once really updated these cars after the first year. The XLR was on a C5 platform... even after the C6 debuted. The STS-V didn't flop.. GM changed course in the midst of a BK.. a great deal of programs got moved. The STS lives.. as the CTS and CTS-V What you just described wreaked of little more than a playful and experimental series of new flavors of product by a generous and forward thinking brand, but the reality most know is that Cadillac is not gaining any traction in it's many failed experimental attempts at a ultra premium product. That is why we are wondering about the 8. And it is a valid concern, as we witness the CTS struggling currently without adequate incentive, as they prepare a very similar CT6 that is even more costlier. There in lies the problem.. I have looked at the numbers and voiced my reasons of WHY the CTS, arguably the best in its class.. the ATS.. arguably the best in its class.. are struggling in the sales race. I have said it time and time again. Sales are not the gauge of failure unless sales are the only thing one looks to achieve. Cadillac is in the middle of its first real attempt at taking on the leaders in the field. This is in both material and perception. Sales numbers are a gauge of success in the mainstream, more so in the Luxury segment. Personally I am not one who gets excited when they see another Cadillac pulling up resembling mine. I enjoy the inadvertent exclusivity. If I were a 3series owner who bought for the sake of luxury, or exclusivity I'd be pissed. Hell part of the reason why I was OK with getting rid of my Camaro was because I started seeing them too often. To your point about not gaining traction... Cadillac has already jumped the first, second, and third hurdle. Cadillac is simply better at more things than the German rivals these days. The areas where it lags are fixable, and consistently coming, building.. moving forward. Point blank we are not talking about Lincoln here,, or Lexus. The issues with Cadillac normally can be summed up in lack of marketing, lack of product, and a reluctance to, up til recently, Dare Greatly. CUE is fixed. The larger backseat is coming in 2 years.. not that its a concern to me. Escalade, ATS/ CTS-V, and CT6 will prime the world for the CT8. Anyone thinking that this would be a quick fix hasn't looked at the reality of things for a long time. Cadillac isn't just battling within the realm of the segment, but battling within the automotive industry because of its origin. The entire brand actually is a mimic of the Corvette. 95% better than the foreign exotics competition, but marred and historically held back because of where it originated. I hope Cadillac simply builds the better car...

Overall I fear that no one has seen Terminator, or more recently Ex-Machina. Wanna hear some crazy $h!??? We are A.I. .. and daily we are killing our creator. It won't take as long for our creations to kill us

Go back and look at the facts. The Allante and XLR flopped because Cadillac.. or rather GM lost interest and never.. not once really updated these cars after the first year. The XLR was on a C5 platform... even after the C6 debuted. The STS-V didn't flop.. GM changed course in the midst of a BK.. a great deal of programs got moved. The STS lives.. as the CTS and CTS-V