Cmicasa the Great

WHY??? When every comparable engine GM makes is as powerful or more.. and certainly as efficient.

Says the guy who either has or dreams about Mustangs. I don't think U were a shoe-in for a GM car in the first place

Precisely... I don't kno where the mixed messages came from. The XTS was always being considered as an ES350 competitor to bridge the gap between the ALPHA based Caddy 3series fighter and the CTS. I don't have issue with that at all... because looking at BMW's line-up ALONE gives me a headache. WTF is the "5series GT" for when I already have nightmares about running into the gruesome X6 in dark alleys.

and Motor Trend (CTS-V vs XF-R) just did it in .94.

Precisely... The the reason for the CTS-V's handling being inferior to the ZR1 is due more to WEIGHT and tires. This is actually a good thing... as a better performance in that area could lead to the Engine starving for lubrication due to the WET-SUMP vs the ZR1's DRY-SUMP. This still doesn't explain why the Porsche "Ugly-mobile" wouldn't be a better handler due to it having AWD. This is actually similar in fact to the old Z06 vs GT-R discussions I used to get into at MT Forum

In essence I shouldn't have compared the two... mostly because the Corvette by nature is a lower center of gravity car that ranges from .96g (Z51), .98g (Z06), and 1.14g (ZR1). Some of that difference between the ZR1 and Z51 can actually be explained by the tires. The CTS-V weighing in at 1000lbs more than the lower-center-of -gravity Vettes pulls off a lateral g of .94

My eyes HURT after looking at that POS TOYOTA excuse for an interior. Where's the PUKE smilie??? Oh there it is. :puke: :puke: :puke:

Are U even serious? I gotta 4200lb CTS-V and a Corvette Z51 weighing 1000lbs less, in my garage, that would beg to differ... as the Corvette only beats the Cadillac in lateral gs by a point.

Lovely post... and truth is that the only reason why, what I've come to kno as the "UGLY Porsche that should have been Aborted," beats the CTS-V is because it has AWD.. which helps tremendously in the cornering of the CORNER HEAVY "Ring."

Problem is that in all my year sin Corporate America... every company I worked for "FLIP-FLOPPED" like that with a product here, a product there... a new finance program here or a new Finance program there. the PUBLIC DIDN'T KNO ABOUT IT UNTIL THE FINISHED PRODUCT/IDEA hit the shelves/market. That is not possible these days.. at least amongst us "Enthusiasts." We kno about products that the gen public won't kno about for 3 years. When the companies change their minds of augment it... we are let down.. because we are disappointed over what we thought was gonna happen and didn't. Its sorta like seeing on C&D's Website.. "The Chevy Corvette to get the Gen V Direct-Injected Engine kicking out 550 Base HP for 2011" Then a month later we read that the HP is only gonna be 500HP and AWD as an option... and we are then disappointed.. BECAUSE and UNKNOWN SOURCE at GM said "this..." and then the OFFICIAL Release said "that."

How does the President come into this? He has nothing to do with GM's line-up. Sigma should have always been the provider for the underlay of the Cadillac Flagship. But lets not forget that Zeta is essentially a derivative and heavier version of the Sigma platform.. .which was originally under development by Holden but snatched by Cadillac back in the early part of the millennium. My hope is that in widening and lengthening the Sigma platform GM adds more Aluminum bits to it to drop the weight down... especially with AWD being apart of the probably program. I would love to see a 70% Aluminum/30% Steel Platform for Cadillac exclusively, as the expensive would dictate that they be the first to depreciate the development costs.

Part of the reason for INCENTIVES was because they usually built so many that inventory would have to be sold at a discount to get them off the lots

Every vehicle I know of has an "ugly entry model" even the Lexuses of the world. Hell the ES350 can be had with CLOTH SEATS... and it starts higher than the Lacrosse. The 4banger is not for pricing reason.. it is for FUEL Economy ones.

Sorry... but I can't subscribe to that way of thinking. TRUTH IS.. we are a privileged few here on these "Enthusiast" website. Teh general public.. about 98% of the other car buyers, don't kno ONE THING about the "XLS, DT7, WhatevertheEFF."Hell with as much press as WE HAVE SEEN over the last 3 years on the Camaro and Volt.. I kno real people who had never even seen the Camaro until they saw one on the streets.. even with teh Transformer's movie. The Volt is still an unknown to the general public.

Yeah it is.. but I actually like our STS's new look better. It's more stylish. I do wish they had of taken the 2008 MCE to lengthen it and improve the interior to these specs of the SLS. Bottom line is that even if Cadillac were to simply make the CTS longer and give it the Escalade Platinum's materials and attention to detail... U would have an S-Class competitor that would be worthy of the name. For engines.... Direct-Injecting the Northstar... or even better... using the 4.4L S/C from the Vseries detuned from 443HP to 385-395HP for the CTS, STS, and XLR... then giving the same engine better breathing elements and a slightly more aggressive exhaust and ECM tune taking the 469HP (STS-V) to at least 510HP for the Vseries program.. this for the time being would give it a class leading engine (ok ok... with exception to the AMG V12 in the SL65) this considering that in the XLR-V the 443HP engine allows it to actually STILL keep up with the SL65 despite it's 160HP advantage... Such is the engineering greatness of GM.. The main thing is that U have to realize that V8 engines.. at this time account for a small percentage of Cadillac STS sales. The DTS, ironically being FWD, has V8 sales by default... but it's really not even supposed to be in the line-up anymore.. it's counter-culture to the whole NEW philosophy. Now.. with an "SLS" as the Flagship.. that default V8 position would fall on that car's sales in it's entirety.. but still.. in the U.S. U would still only see about 20K sales of that car.. (based on S-Class and LS numbers) Key to gaining those sales would be a diversified SLS line... with an entry level car starting at the $65K mark ending at $150K (DI 4.4L S/C 600hp Super V with 2-Mode tech )... with a POWERFUL engine for bragging rights (as that is what this segment is ALL about), a class-leading interior (which at this point is completely doable looking at the lower level CTS, Lacrosse, and even Malibu styling) but with highest grade materials and well integrated tech (as confusing to the consumer as possible as this seems to be well received), and EYE-POPPING exterior styling.. possibly a revised SIXTEEN. This car would have NOTHING to do with Cadillac's giving a damn about CAFE... It would essentially be a 2010-style "Car Escalade".. without the negative SUV stigma. A Dual Mode version would of course be available... and would surely get better fuel economy to tout that the LS600hL... which gets the SAME fuel economy as the Hybrid Escalade...

I traded a 2005 STS 4.6L in on my CTS-V. I went to the dealer with my STS for an appraisal... OK.. let me say this once and for all... LUXURY CARS should not ever be considered an investment because their value drops like a grown up baby's ballz when it comes time to trade... I wasn't optimistic when I pulled her up... My boy hit some hard times recently and sold his 2006 750i to Carmax with only 23K on the ODO... and they gave him $33K... He PAID $78K for it 2 years ago... NOW ME... figuring that since I had under 25K on the ODO.. I would get at least $24K for it as a trade... NOPE!!! They came back at first with $18K... I got up and got in the car and started pulling outta the lot... The Sales guy runs over to my car and says ... " I got U $20K..." I said "Make it $21K, and drop the V from $64K to $61K and we gotta deal... The V is LOVELY... and I named her PEARL. :smilies-38096: And it's not just American and German luxos.when my lilo Brother got rid of his LS430 to get his Escalade... he thought he was gonna be able to pull it off like an EVEN TRADE... He was wrong as a mofo... as they gave him $20K for a car with 45K on the ODO... BRAND NEW his would have costs $60K... now look at the math here.. and I'm mindful that I had 20K less on my STS's ODO... but his car new costs $6K more than mine yet he got $1K less at trade.. and it was an ALMIGHTY Lexus LS430... an S-Class Competitor, while I was driving a LOWLY STS.. a 5series competitor. I Loved her SOOOOO MUCH

If GM changed the name of the 'Slade it would be an absolute foolish move. The positive marketing that the vehicle has is undeniable. Personally I'm still of the notion that the Cobalt name should have remained and implemented across the world instead of the Cruze.

Priced as it is.. I could see it easily outselling the CTS. It's almost $10K less expensive. Producing less and then HAVING to build more on demand has always been the approach I think they should have followed. Before they had the UAW essentially making it a necessity to continue building just to use up labor... not the case anymore thank GOD

I don't understand why GMI members are having such a hard time with understanding how this could work. The SLS in China is 201 inches long.. or rather 2 inches longer than the 750i and 4 inches shorter than the S550. Width wise the STS is "skinnier" by about 1 inch less than the Sclass. I could easily see the new Cadillac being stretched an extra 1 wide and 4 inches long. AND WITH the things Cadillac has shown it is capable of just in it's 3 newest models the Escalade, CTS, and SRX... I'd easily say that the FLAGSHIP should absolutely be an AK-47 at a "rock fight." I seriously still LOVE the STS... the SLS was superior to it at least in looks and interior. That was 4 years ago... To me.. it still looks better than the new 7series, A8, and new Jag XJ.. equal to the S-Class

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I will certainly give Ford props in their implementation of the Fusion Hybrid. But do U seriously think that GM killed the Malibu Mild Hybrid with no intent of pushing out BAS II in the coming months? BAS II promises a 25% boost in efficiency over the BAS I system. That's not including the inclusion of the NEW DIRECT INJECTED 2.4L coupled with a 6Speed instead of the 4 speed the Mild Hybrid used. I also find it laughable that U mention that GM supposedly has only ONE KIND OF CAR, but believe that FORD has a real variety of vehicles. IN FACT.. Ford has only ONE RWD, non FWD car in its line... the aforementioned Mustang. There is no need to even bring Cadillac into this. The Chevy line-up alone has two RWD vehicles. Truth is... for CAFE purposes RWD is simply not the way of the Automotive world in mainstream vehicles. Adaptable AWD is a better solution in terms of handling and performance. The Haldex system can be manipulated to perform in a superior manner than RWD. Mini-Compact: Spark Sub-Compact: Viva (Aveo) Compact: Cruze EV Mid-size: Volt Mid-Size: Malibu (redone on SWB EPII 2011) Large: Impala (on LWB EPII) (personally I'd call it Malibu "L" for sales purposes) Mini-CUV: Orlando (HHR) Small-CUV: Equinox Large CUV: Traverse Sport Coupe: Camaro Sports Car: Vette Ford Line: Mini-Compact: None Sub-Compact: Festiva Compact: Focus EV Mid-size: NONE Mid-Size: Fusion Large: Taurus Mini-CUV: NONE Small-CUV: Edge Large CUV: Flex Sport Coupe: Mustang Sports Car: NONE Interesting thing is that the only Mustang I would ever consider, the GT500, weighs the same thing as the Camaro SS. But it still doesn't have IRS, despite it having 115HP more and it still doesn't perform that much better than the SS... and it still costs damn near $50K compared to the SS's $34K. I'm sorry but this is one for the books... I seriously am awestruck that a 426HP $34K Camaro, weighing only 15 lbs less... ran with a $50K 540HP Mustang (that's 114HP more) Camaro Mustang 0-30 mph 1.9 sec 2.0 sec 0-40 2.6 2.7 0-50 3.5 3.7 0-60 4.5 4.6 0-70 5.7 5.5 0-80 7.2 6.8 0-90 8.7 8.2 0-100 10.5 9.7 Quarter mile 12.9 sec @ 110.7 mph 12.8 sec @ 115.3 mph MT COMPARISON YES the Mustang beat the Camaro... by 1/10th of a sec and 4 MPH. That is pathetic, and basically says that if the Camaro even remotely got the LSA (560HP without the "Quiet Tuned" exhaust from Cadillac restricting it) it would MURDER the GT500. Fact is that a Camaro with just the Base Corvette's 436HP LS3 would at least equal the GT500, altho I'm betting it would whip it.

Two things tho. The next generation Lambda could be made in different fashions similar to the way they are now (Acadia angular BOXY styling and ergonomics vs Enclaves round). The Lambdas are not exactly small.. and it is also possible that the new Lambdas be engineered to tow MORE than the GMTS. The VW Touarag for instance is proof of a CUV with a hefty two capacity

Exactly. I had been wishing for all three to file BK since 2005. Basically a flush of the BS that they had all accumulated over the last 50 years. Hell I kinda wish that it was possible for GM Europe to do the same, emerge as quick and remain 100% owned by GM.

Hey thanks for the cup of pessimism... I will never kno why GM Enthusiast sites like this and GMI have so many GM Haters on them.

I see that as an off-hand benefit towards profitability and better resale value for the car. I've always had issue with overproduction of the various nameplates