VenSeattle

Why don't you explain it yourself? Beside the Lucerne's lower dash, what else are you referring to in order to justify the comment?

Aside from the Lucerne's lower dash plastic, the interior materials are equal or superior to the LaCrosse's. We'll see how the revised 2008 is. It's possible the lower dash materials were improved along with the leather-covered upper dash.

Can you elaborate on how? Are you just complaining about the styling or also technology/features?

You may not like the styling (styling is subjective... I believe you've said that several times yourself), but the interior materials used in the LaCrosse are of a higher quality compared to most vehicles in its segment... that includes other W-bodies and chrysler's new Sebring/Avenger. For Example - 1) You've attempted to knock the door panels in another topic, but the panels are not actually shiny in person, nor are they hard. The door panels are thick and soft to the touch. 2) Headliner is woven fabric, not rat fur 3) Wood grain appearance was dramatically improved in 2007. The darker tone in the Super improves the look even more. 4) Leather seats have always been supple and look nice. Now GM has improved their bolstering. 5) Super gains 300hp and Magnetic Ride Control. I'm looking forward to driving test reviews by magazines. 6) The list of standard features at the CX price level, including the 200hp 3.8l V6, is very impressive. Not to mention Buick's Warranty which matches luxury brands. The changes won't make much of a difference in sales, but I doubt anyone will regret owning one. I bet most will be pleasantly surprised.

1 & 4) We'll have to wait and see... 2) True, but the LaCrosse and Lucerne both have the DTS' streering wheel now. I'm hoping the LaCrosse steering wheel is power instead of manual. 3) Were they real? I can't remember, but I believe they were only available as dealer installed accessories. The Supers' are coming from the factory.

No, they didn't get lucky... The LaCrosse and Lucerne are from the generation before Enclave. This is just to bridge the gap between then and the near future. The next LaCrosse and Lucerne will carry the Enclave/Velite inspired styling much better... they're not that far away.

More HP, suede seats and door panels, leather dash? I'm not sure really. I guess it depends on the price difference and if the rest of the Lucerne models get a telescoping steering wheel.

My fingers are crossed. I like most of the changes... the rest, I need time to become comfortable with. I'm sure the Lucerne will look better in person.

Well, it looks better... Inside and out. They didn't go as far as I expected them to on the inside, but it looks better.

Well, look past the initial pics - 1) We know GM press release pics are usually worse than reality - 2) Lucerne & LaCrosse actually gain features that they've been lacking (telescoping steering wheel for example) 3) The HP boost in the Lucerne along with interior upgrades (Leather dash and wood steering wheel/shifter) help distinguish it further from its competitors like Avalon, Sable, and Azera. 4) I like the new wheels on the Lucerne Super already. 5) The below pic, added by Fly, make them both look much better than the initial pics:

I remember seeing Ads and commercials from Cadillac for the Deville back in the late 1990's with Airbags up front accommodating three passengers (Passenger airbag expanded across both middle and front passenger seats.) I have to assume the DTS & Lucerne still support this technology. Outside of those two, they must be trucks.

Perhaps they're considering the Zeta Buick to be called Park Avenue I'd buy that.

I'm seeing more and more Auras on the road (both XEs & XRs.) They really stand out and are growing on me. 6-sp, LED taillights, LED illuminated interior, V6, etc... very nice touches for a $20k-$25k car.

Here's the pic from autodeadline... if anyone can obtain the hi-res, that would be great: I agree... green-light the revision. The changes are subtle but go a long way to freshen a very recognizable logo.

Regardless of which DTS-trim you're in, the DTS does not use the same hard plastic for the lower dash as the Lucerne & Impala. The DTS receives soft-touch surfaces throughout. Go back and look again

This must be seen in person. The pictures are just a tease. It's a beautiful luxury car.

I feel similar but different. Make the next-gen CTS on the Alpha platform while evolving the 2008 CTS formula into the eventual STS/DTS replacement. CTS found its market, and should continue to cater to that market (grabbing potential entry-luxury import buyers.) Those currently owning a CTS should trade up to the next best model, not expect the CTS to grow with them. ATS & BTS are too bottom-basement and sound forced. I think the C-series should be Cadillac's global entry-level model.

Bob has to be my favorite executive in the automobile industry. I liked him at Chrysler, and I love him at GM. I hope I'm at least half the man he is at 75.

Happy B-day guy!

Yeah, well some of you are fighting an uphill battle on this. The "others" currently do not have articles with Corp Execs, dealers, and engineers admitting to poor materials, fit-&-finish, etc and expressing the desperate need to improve it. I believe one even said it was horrific. Chrysler people are bashing themselves all on their own. Most of us are just in agreement. BTW... They're even impressed with GM's interiors. PS... Reread the article. PSS... Reread the article. PSSS... Reread the article. one more thing... Reread the article.

Okay Okay Okay.... my apologies. I didn't mean literally when I stated "engineering." I actually know a few things (just a few) about Nissan's Japanese counterparts. I was strictly talking about the "Infiniti" line-up as presented in the US... more like the "purpose" of the car. When the Leopard was brought over as the J30, we didn't get the 4.0 V8 version. The J30 was (exclusively) a V6 RWD sedan. The G20 was Infiniti's 4-cyl FWD sedan. The Q45 was Infiniti's RWD V8 sedan. The G35 is now Infiniti's exclusive RWD V6 sedan. The M has both a V6 & V8. So in purpose, the G35 is now Infiniti's old J30. I actually think the new G35's styling echoes the J30 also. It certainly doesn't echo the original G20. The M has pretty much replaced the Q45. Any word on the Q's successor? are we getting one? Will in be more powerful and a true competitor to the LS460?

The M-debate article made me think of the J30. If the J-Series was still in production, it would probably be on the 3rd generation. IMO, the new G35 would actually be the modern equivalent (in engineering and styling) to a J35. The G-Series is now RWD, V6 powered, and the styling is more fluid with the rear dropping off at the end. J30 G35 J30 G35 J30 (Sorry. Only professional interior pic I could find) G35

Bring back the J!!!!!!!

Check out what Ninety-Eight found :AH-HA_wink: http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...c=16156&hl=

This article doesn't provide any evidence that GM is neglecting the markets Cadillac currently competes in or should be competing in. The article does not discuss other Cadillac vehicles in development. As I said in an earlier post, this vehicle has nothing to do with the STS/DTS replacement(s) or BRX, next XLR, etc.... This article points out that GM is looking at a market that Cadillac does not compete in at the moment and is trying to figure out how to get Cadillac back into that market. It's an excellent sign that the future product line-up looks good for Cadillac.