Mr.Krinkle

i think yourre misinterpreting what im saying. evil japanese...thats your opinion. i said they have good marketing abilities. maybe theyve read more books than us lazy americans. dont be so condescending its not very becoming. maybe so good in fact we dont even know who they pay off. who knows, maybe the japanese paid of this shlub to say he got paid off by gm get real you believe everything you read too?

some say common sense isnt so common...but it is widely acknowleded that toyota creams gm when it comes to public relations. as ive said before, its not only media. i think thats borderline crazy to "feel" that way. for all intents and purposes the tundra is considered a better choice. the tacoma surely is for small truck but the trail in numbers significantly. the silverados and f150s have very loyal fans. i used the skidpad nonsense as an example. i dont even have those figures but the results ultimately windu up in an overall score or rating...luxury and quietness. refinement. reliability. im not making this a vs argument, it was just an example. advertising and pr.dont be such a wise guy, my point is that they seem to be better at getting their message across and convincing people of they have what they want. whats so absurd about that? see second sentence above. yeah, it would be nice to just have a car that stomped their guts out but thats highly unlikely to ever happen, not because they cant its just not practical. im governed by logic but sometimes my writing suggests something different. im passionate i cant help it.

...see thats my bone of contention. and its not me, i dont let myself get easily pursauded. its that people do ultimately listen to what you say. that was the point. not all, but a majority. selling ice to eskimos and the freezer to put it in or the ketchup popsicle to someone wearing white gloves. these expressions exist for a reason. --as far as the g6 vert goes--i believe there were some major problems with the roof. what kind i dont a clue...itd be awful if they didnt fully fix it. the other stuff makes sense, and itd be really tough to argue all those things but the rwd, thats a shame. for so long its been fwd and its foolish to want rwd, especiall here in ny and all the "snow states" and for the most part have just been conditioned to that. its hard for me to fault them for that one. but yeah they need to be on the ball with that. the interiors and 4 speed...yeah. i think thats on its way once it cycles through. then the next issues...awd, and im sure well find plenty more

were gms product always class leading? was there never a better choice, as far as competion goes? the germans have always built good cars same with japan. why is it that now it seems to matter more to the "truth tellers" telling "us" like it is. a design can always be improved upon (hopefully) and everyone likes to have their opinions taken as gospel. cr still gripes how no one at gm listens to their complaints about the cts. too f!ckin bad. the solstice and sky are both "sold out" even with some tepid reviews and comparisons and the "truth tellers" who cite lack of an impractical trunk space or chunkiness. its a hit regardless. the cars and trucks for the most part are fine, and i truly believe its an effective compaign by the competition to convince otherwise. no one is taking their buick up to a buck 15 and power sliding through the esses. but if an avolon has a better slalom rating it must mean its more suitable? i think many people are simply holding on to grudges from long long ago and never decided to give that second chance. be it their own or their parents. maybe they shouldnt-but the next time their new, better car breaks down-where will that leave them...besides the side of the road. i guess lately theres enough makes out there to really be on the perpetual search for the perfect car. back to my first question--was their ever really no competition for gm... ever? edit: healthy critism should always be welcome. same goes for skepticism.

...the philosphy of futility... It is not surprising that indoctrination and propaganda should have reached their highest forms in these societies. In the 20th century, in particular these are largely contributions of the U.S. and England. It grew out of the First World War when England had what they called a Ministry of Information, which any reader of George Orwell knows what it means. The main purpose of this Ministry was to convince the U.S. - meaning primarily educated Americans and intellectuals - that they better get into the War with England. The Ministry concocted all kinds of tales. It brainwashed the educated elite, including famous people like John Dewey, magnificently. The population of the U.S. was mostly pacifistic and did not want to get involved in European conflict. Others like Adolf Hitler were impressed too. Who am I talking to? Mostly the 80 per cent. The 20 per cent do not want to hear about this. They already know what truths they are supposed to believe. But the general population is much more open, inquisitive, concerned and wants to act to change the world. basically, people need to be told what to buy. not all but most. thats the 80 and 20%. they must be convinced for whatever reasons because theya re willing to listen. if you accept that than its not unreasonable to believe the opposite. that they can be swayed what not to buy. makes sense in theory. this is basic marketing doctrine. you hype the good about your product--not the bad stuff. broken ball joints, engine sludge, all types of gremlins, or whatever wont sell a car. they can be used to deter a sale. you want to sell and no one will buy it if you yourself cant find any good. every time something new comes out the comments are immediately drawn to the perceived shortcomings and then deemed predetermined to fail. thus ripping the breath of hope from the chests without even a fighting chance. in some cases even before it hits the market. sometimes just by pictures. its great to be critical and analysts say sell sell sell once their nickel is in danger. the junk rating doesnt help and faith is essentially lost and directed elsewhere. somewhere else they can make a buck a company that has helped and continues to help this country for more than a century and nothing doing, the hell with them. its fickle to say the least. business aside...business as usual too i suppose, but i digress. for me, personally, i have never been drawn to japanese designs. its not a bias they just never appeald to me. from the econo image to lousy sounding exhausts to cheap italian sports car knock offs--i always thought the rest of the world, USA, britain, italy, europe offered more intriguing and inspiring cars. currently, the tahoes, cts', grand prix(still), g6ers sedans, bonnevilles-bastards, gto's...i could go on...but these all apeal to me more so than the accords and civics. the mazdas seem ok, but id still prefer any of the above. (i really do like pontiacs...may have been olds, but that has ship sailed) as far as the current board from the best i can tell they are doing what needs to be done. i think the plays have been called. the plans are in effect and so far so good. the more time unfolds the clearer this will be. a lot of changes have been made aready and more to come. its taking time but these problems didnt happen overnight its not fair to assume they will leave overnight either. im not trying to be overly optimistic but if you dont have faith in the products then yourre giving up worse and easier than anyone else. lets just fold up the tent and forget about it beccause its all garbage. for the record, i think many of these cars and trucks are just fine, and can be competetive. dcx is a good example of what can be done in a relatively short time the stuff is there, more with each new release...it just needs to be sold now.

i have to agree with you on that one. i can honestly say not a single car or truck interests me. notta one.

woooo, thats deep. its for your own damn good.

general motors had a relatively good day and the market finished on a record high, well the highest since 2000. it may be a stretch but thered be lot of slack if gm ever disappeared. at least for a little while. maybe whats good for gm still is good for america. i know its early and one recall alert and back down it goes...but it would seem as if all hope isnt lost if this can be seen as any kind of indication. imagine if they ever start to actually make money what would happen...

i try not to pay attention to george, hes basicaly lame duck and i doubt he can screw anything else up any worse than he has already. im knocking on wood as i say this. its just too bad every chance iran gets they say theyll wipe israel off the face of the earth. granted, i have no doubt they can fend for themselves. they are more than capable. i just dont like to hear soon israel will be destroyed prefaced by "we have finally figured out how to enrich uranium" its not very confidence inspiring in regards to their philanthropic visions for nuclear knowhow. the relevance of our forces in that area may have been calculated much more carefully than some baloney about wmd or vendetta. maybe israel wants to buy some grade a military equipment, just in case they need more.

that exhaust note is almost painful to listen to. it just doesnt sound right to me. and it is kind of busted ugly. gaudys a good word, much like their other trucks. just awkward the way the roof line slopes. those are definately some weak sales. thats too bad.

yeah, or his dog got run over by a brand new escalade. maybe he couldnt see over the wheel. who the hell knows. thats why multiple sources never hurt when making a decision.

so its really purpose built for the trucks. the rear end would be ten feet off the ground they tried stuffing that in a car. too bad they dont have that ray gun from fantastic voyage. yet. maybe someones working on that one. scaling it down, not the ray gun thing.

once they change to that car of tomorrow crap there is absolutely zero reason for anyone to be there. nascar sells nascar. not chevy. not ford. not even dodge. they got what they want, everybody else got jack-sh^t.

with the hybrids on the way and the ethanol campaign--- the higher gas prices just might not be such bad thing for sales.

you are absolutely correct (as im sure you know) i misheard the the report but here is the opening paragraphs from bloomberg site. my bad. April 20 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. reported a smaller first-quarter loss than analysts expected as it trimmed losses in North American auto operations and had a profit in Europe. Shares of the world's largest automaker rose. GM's sixth straight quarterly net loss narrowed to $323 million, or 57 cents a share, from $1.25 billion, or $2.22, a year earlier. The Detroit-based company said today that it would have reported a profit of 26 cents a share excluding costs for setting up a health-care fund, compared with analysts' estimated loss of 44 cents. Revenue rose 14 percent to $52.2 billion. ``It's kind of ironic to call a $300 million loss a good quarter, but it is a step in the right direction,'' said Kevin Tynan, an analyst at Argus Research in New York who rates GM shares a ``sell'' and doesn't own any. ``You have to be pretty optimistic about the rest of the year.'' all in all not too shabby still.

uh-oh. thats what the tv show said this morn, looked at it as a good thing...not that i dont take your word but ill check it out.

i think it will be where others lose their market share and how things start to split up and even out. would it make a difference if gm held on to 20 or 25 but everyone else had to share smaller amounts. lots of hungry mouths to feed. hybrids will certainly raise eyebrows, trucks should see some gains. china and europe looking so far so good. due to the saturn hybrid alone, they should start to see better overall sales, i think. also the mpg (chevy advertising x amount with 30mpg or better) and ethanol issues-more chevy, gmc may also help out with sales. whod think higher gas prices may help sell some cars. and because of ethanol, yeah even the big ones.

last years first quarter loss was more than 5 billion. its not great but somethings starting to give. 21 new cars on the way. this is just beginning to heat up. wagoner was on the tv this morn, bloomberg i believe, he made note during the interview that the competition is raising incentives while gm is lowering them. he mentioned nihsen (nissan) he says it like that evidentally...i dont know if thats the actual procunciation or not but went on to say short term that might hurt some sales but the long term ends will justifyt he means. (paraphrase). the stock opened up 83 cents this morn too. its early but maybe the corner isnt too far away.

yup, i agree. theyrre winning the game

yeah, that really is too bad. thanks. they have a nice sound to them too. they should get the ol shoehorn out. thatd really hush a lot of people up if they could figure out that one.

you coulda just said what you did like about it. damn. about the interior for the aura--i dont see the problem. i dont dig the color of the seats but as far as design goes it looks like it has an understated classiness to it. from the pics anyway...

the part of the center stacks, in most of the gm cars, chevies in particular, that irks me the most--and its not material quality--is it just seems like they are situated low. almost as if they got such a good deal on the dash they wanted to use a lot of it. as far as the auro goes...so far, from the pics and not much else it seems rather driver friendly and intuitive. everything just right there for you. nothing too complex or simple. driver friendly id say. just a quick question. does anybody know why the inline 6 hardly gets used? its supposedly a very potent motor with high accolades...and would seemingly make sense to use it more. i know, that line is a sitting duck. logic! hah.

i hate reviews. honestly after you read enough they all start contradicting eachother. different people- same car- complete 180 sometimes. what im not so sure is if its just so so but comfy and quiet but not a rocketship how does that differ from lets say a camry? the reliabilty is even better over at buick...now im not looking to take sides i really would like to understand this better. is it just a price thing? or did the tilt steering really piss em off?

a follow up from last week...just over 3 bucks here now. and summer didnt even start yet. this should get interesting. oil was up over 70 cents and over 70 for a barrel today too. 2.65 to 2.86 to 3+ all in 2 weeks. whats gonna happen if the situation in iran gets out of hand?

again, is this all from photos. you can get an idea but to go off on a tangent about it is a little premature...dontcha think? unless you know something else or have seen it. im gonna try to get my ass over to nyias before sunday. im expecting the worst as usual...that way i can at least be mildy pleased if its ok