balthazar

- - - - - Automakers will NOT go out of business (willingly) over BE's. They're too large of an economic mainstay to do so, and Big Gov't has repeatedly shown a willingness to bail them out if their continuance is in jeopardy. If they push back to Gov't, THERE WILL BE DELAYS. And while they may on the face of it proclaim they're 'all in'- note that none of the Major players is even close to HALF of their fleet being BE, and what BE sales there are; are a trickle.

Nope; if I was, I would have stated it that way. The VAST VAST majority of vehicles on the road today have less than 8 cylinders. So they say, and as I've repeatedly stated; "WHEN?" - - - - - Note that emission standards are NOT retro-active. - - - - - See, the motor vehicle world doesn't center around the current model year vehicles. The 15 million/yr sold pales in comparison to the 280+ million existing, older vehicles. That pool will exceed our lifetimes.

That's not an opinion, The literal responsibility in the public sector is ethical management of funds- the problem is there's no accountability unless the mismanagement is blatantly criminal.

sure; sure it is. 'World' is a monstrously huge place, no one can possible hope to get an inclusive consensus of opinion. People continue to smoke 50 years after strong evidence linking it with cancers/2nd hand smoke. That 'ban' has taken 50 years to slowly, slowly enact (no smoking in hospitals, theaters, offices, restaurants, workplaces, etc), prices have risen exponentially... still got lots of smokers. Less; absolutely. These municipalities considering actual, absolute & literal bans on IC in cities had better make damned sure that includes all medium- & heavy-duty trucks, busses, local delivery, taxis, construction equipment, all RR and aircraft traffic in a widening cone overhead. Otherwise, it's arbitrary. Going after the individual FIRST is ass-backwards. Again- no plan for high-rise charging, no plan for on-street parkers, no means to get the budget-strapped into an affordable replacement vehicle (average price premium for BE in '21: $19 grand). No plan what to do if said ban suddenly torpedos the values of IC vehicles, vehicles the budget-strapped are going to depend up mightily to offset the average BE price tag. Because once said IC vehicle is 'banned'- who's going to buy it?? Is the Gov't going to buy them at a reasonable market value? What source replaces that revenue drain- will all gas taxes and the 'buy-back' taxes and the 'recycle the old vehicles tax' be placed upon the heads of new BE owners (how could it not be?)? No; 'charger networks are growing fast' doesn't mean they are close to being ready. It also doesn't mean they will be ready by an arbitrary deadline. That's something you wait & insure is ready first. You don't release the waters (forcing a mass consumer move) to until the dam (infrastructure and economics) is built. No; implementing a ban first and hoping everything works smoothly in the limited time up to it is not a prudent or intelligent plan. Politicians, nearly to the one, are pretty stupid. - - - - - If OEMs come 2035 are looking at sales in the range of 25% of currently/recent sales, you can BET there will be real & forceful pushbacks.

I agree with your last statement, which is why I posted primarily in the form of questions. Those that are implementing (or contemplating implementing) rigid bans don't have any answers either, which is why I've always said pre-emptive long-term bans are idiotic.

A ton of commercial vehicles work in multiple states.

Maine sees issues with meeting their emissions goals. Here's some bar-napkin math. An estimated 50%+ of ME's emissions are from the transportation sector. ME has 1,000,000+ vehicles registered, and they want to drop emissions by 45% in 8 years. In order to drop emissions by 45%, they would have to replace 45% of the existing 1,000,000+ vehicles with BE's. That would be 450,000 brand new BE's that REPLACED existing IC's. The entire U.S. only bought 295,000 BE's last year. Goals are all well & good, but you do your cause a disservice if it's wildly out of reach.

Interesting question, tho the answer is probably 'it varies from person to person'. Got our boosters yesterday. I've had no issues now (1.5 days after), wife had marked soreness at injection site and her joints ached. She took ibuprofen today and went to sleep early.

^ Built in 2010. Today that would be $230M. 407,000 square feet (average Home Depot : 105K SF) for 2300 students. Zero improvement in graduation rates. Ranked 287 out of 339 NJ high schools. Because, you see; it's not buildings that teach students. It was orchestrated thru a State-run "Schools Construction Corp", so you KNOW it was rife with waste & corruption. This Corp was a result of a State Supreme Court finding stating that "students in the poorest city schools should have the buildings and resources [meaning; the buildings] comparable to those in the wealthiest suburbs." In other words, a vanity project. Because [see above comment about buildings]. To that point: a 2005 State audit found the Corp was susceptible to "mismanagement, fiscal malfeasance, conflicts of interest and waste, fraud & abuse of taxpayer funds". You don't say. The new 'failed model' for car sales- online 'dealers'?? ?

It's the '20s, the proposed bans are for the '30s & '40s. Many of the initial '2030's have already pushed back to '2035'. That's not "this decade". It's still a looming unknown to what extent people will buy BE's. If new sales are banned, and buyers do not buy, would Big Gov't step in with more free money & OEM bailouts?? Which are?

School districts are fiscally out of control... but they make sure to hit the kids first with real tangible, gut checks, like 'we can't afford tissues anymore' when pleading for millions. I've railed before here about the local city high school. They tore down the existing building, moved to a new site and built a $190 MILLION dollar building "for the future leaders of the country. $190,000,000 for 2300 students, or $93,000 per student. Could only find a couple pics of the interior, but the entrance had marble flooring and stained woodwork everywhere. Expensive as hell to build. Client of mine worked there, told me the building has TWO nurseries for babies. Maybe that's indicative of the unchanged mid 70% graduation rate and the national school ranking of 10,8xx. What angers me the most is that energy-efficiency wise, the building footprint is horrible. In order to make it look absurdly upscale in a depressed city, they gave it a disproportionately high exterior surface area (TONS of jogs & levels & glass). But it was pitched 'for the children', so how dare you speak against it (I do not live in the city).

I believe people are deluding themselves that they're going to see ONLY battery-electric vehicles on the road in their lifetime. The NYState 2035 'ban' is only on new, light-duty vehicle sales. Medium & HD are still permitted (until 2045). And existing IC vehicles are still permitted (indefinately). As of 2019, there are about 12.1 million registered drivers with 4.5 million vehicles registered in NYS. [Frankly; that seems strangely low- NJ has 6.3M drivers and 2.8M vehicles. There's 11M people living outside NYC). NYS is about 6% of the new car UDSM (900K units on a 15M unit year). BE vehicles are about 3% of all new vehicle sales (27K in NYS). Assuming a market share climb of even 2%/yr (which would be unprecedented), BE's would only have a 30% market share in NY 'naturally' by 2035. What no one knows is what consumers will do come 2035- will they 'binge' on IC in the years before, and will new vehicle sales see a sharp downturn in 2035? Will the average lifespan of 11 or 12 years maintain that depressed sales state until 2047? No one knows. But the NYS Gov claims NY would see a 85% reduction in state greenhouse emissions, despite transportation (vehicles AND planes AND rail AND trucks) being only an estimated 29% of greenhouse gas emissions. How they hell did they come up with "85%"????

Lot of folk dismiss the JDPower surveys. I like to consider all (with a grain of salt). 12-month prior window by original owners of 3-yr old vehicle… sounds good on the surface of it. Question: if a generally-satisfied owner gets 3 or 4 defects fixed via recall/ under warranty, do they always report that incident? Wasn’t it CR that published significantly different quality survey results among 2 rebadged-otherwise-identical vehicles?

I agree- the perception is still right up there. But around the late ‘00s, quality / engineering/ quality control started to slip significantly. The recalls (in number and volume) and the TSBs have been catastrophically high, and for some head-scratching reasons. If it were GM or Ford, ‘journalists’ would scramble to compile an aggregate number ‘since 20xx’, but I’ve researched it, and could find no such tabulation anywhere. When I did a tabulation on my own, the recalls alone were 50 million vehicles, and that was over 5 years ago now. Who knows how many tens of millions of toyoters had factory TSB repairs done. Folks will argue with me that a factory recall for window switches that catch on fire is no indicator of quality whatsoever, and that having you toyoter at the dealer waiting for parts every other month is no indicator of reliability whatsoever. I heartily disagree. They made their reputation in the ‘90s and early ‘00s, but they’ve rode that coattail a lot since. They can do a lot better.

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• Trans is all buttoned up now- new front & rear seals, pan gasket, filter. Exterior cleaned off, linkage gone thru/lubed. It's off to the side, waiting. • My helper did a cursory cleaning of the cylinder heads- removed grease & flaky rust. • Finished deburring the lifter galley & block exterior. Going to take the block & heads to the engine builder next week, along with my brother's '65 GTO 389.

Despite the 'evidence' that C&G says I am 40, I am a handful of years ahead of you, and often feel like trampled death. You know you're getting old when you open your eyes in the morning and think "OK, what's going to hurt today?'

Under 3% USDM market share in 2021. 100% 8 years from now?????

A LOT of folk consider a LOT of things 'obsolete'. That doesn't mean their opinion is fact-based. How could the dealership be considered a "failed" model? Individually, of course they sometimes go out of business (for a wide variety of issues). That is the (individual) definition of 'failed'; yes. But as a model? Dealers have adapted as times & consumer preferences change, and many have been enormously successful. Many have been economic hubs in a community, contributing employment, taxes, community involvement, etc, while performing a viable service. They're invested in a community (they do sometimes move/leave, of course). 'Online dealers' don't do these things, and are far less beholden to local consumers since they have no local investment other than a distribution yard. When I search for 'Carvana near me' the map shows an irregular red outline covering an hour & a half of linear travel time and no 'pin'. Where's the actual location?? Everything they sell is used and massively overpriced. Selection is poor. - - - - - - Carvana : '20 GMC Sierra 1500 Elevation, crew cab/5.5' bed, 5.3L, 1 option package (Pseats, heated wheel/seats, HD radio), refrigerator white, $500 delivery fee. Details say it has a "Tow-Hitch Area" ? , so don't expect ANY sort of accurate information about the vehicle or how to operate it. 29K miles and it's $51.5K - 3 grand more than my brand new Pacific Blue Sierra 6.5' bed DuraMax was. And who's going to service it; not Carvana. Just built a '22 Elevation Limited 5.3L to the same specs, brand new & with delivery its $51.2K. Same price, 2 years newer, 30K less miles. Gee.... lemma think...

301 I believe... too bad they didn't keep the 400 rolling thru '81. You old codger. HBD.

But I did acknowledge it, 4 posts above yours.

Yeah; that's not why.

Commemorative pistons given to employees in Plant 9, following the discontinuation of Pontiac V8 production. 14 million+ Pontiac V8s.