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And the current one was praised in the piece I read for significant improvements vs. even the prior generation.

255/290 is right on par with the Escape’s 250/280. BTW, C&D said all Escapes drive & handle well. Not that anyone pushes small CUVs hard, but it tested out at .85 g’s grip. C&D tested a gle450 and got .82, so that vehicle must handle 'terribly' if the escape is 'poor'.

Didn't leave it off, I was drawing a comparison to state registration fees and state gas tax.

Wow- some operation.

WA State gas tax is 49.4 cents/gal. 12,000 miles/year, divided by 25 MPG = 480 gallons.... x .494 cents = $237. With 2.9 million registered vehicles, that'd compute to $372 million dollars lost for road maintenance.

And I showed how there was a very small jump in price from a gas engine to a diesel in the very same model. Using totally dissimilar trucks to illustrate the inverse ignores that point.

But in order to adhere to the ‘apples to apples’ case study, the trucks have to be in the same weight class and at least close in trim level. Otherwise, why not use an F-550 in comparison… or a Peterbilt?

So Ford can build the same kW battery and give it more power? I don't get what you're saying.

OK, thanks - I get it now. So a Lightning XLT standard range has the 311A package as standard (no heated seat/wheel, no power seat, no box lighting, no tailgate step, etc). For some reason Ford bundles all the amenities people want in 312A with the extra batteries, so while the extended range battery is listed as $10K, you're forced to also take the $9500 312A package. You can buy a standard-range Lightning with the 312A package, just not the inverse (extended range withOUT 312A. Ford seems to be more restrictive on configuration the Lightning than GM is with the IC 1/2-tons. Lightning XLT standard range plus 312A plus spray-in bedliner & floor liners stickers at $64,764 (including $1695) destination.

You stated you registration fee- it wasn't bad IIRC - have you heard WA it revamping that to a 'value-based' structure? 'cause otherwise, your reg should be the same, no? Do you have annual vehicle inspection there?

On a discussion of range, more power output is irrelevant; a byproduct of more kW, not a separate addition.

That flat out sucks. NJ tried to do that; years ago they sent a letter to a co-worker who they thought under-reported her purchase price. I wrote them a letter back on her behalf stating basically 'prove it' - never heard another word. Then; it was akin to fishing. IMO, you cannot charge a sales tax on money not paid, and book value is irrelevant. I believe it's the same scenario, but I haven't registered a non-new / almost new vehicle in a long time (that wasn't historic).

You're comparing a FAR overloaded scenario to factory tow ratings; not legit. Remember the '70s Chevy 2500 ads where a 350 V8 was towing 187 TONS and 230 TONS? They were posted on this board. That was 155 HP / 250 TRQ (1978 numbers). Whatcha wanna bet a 445 HP / 910 TRQ TD can better those numbers... by a LOT? But do these carnival exhibits really matter??

Both standard range Lightning & extended range Lightning are dual-motor. Extended range does get you one single extra thing (beyond the 70 miles max of additional range), the Ford Charge Station Pro for your home. The cost for that as a stand-alone piece is $800 (requires a licensed electrician to install it). So that still leaves you with : $18,700 for 70 miles additional range. No more 'apples to apples'??? Half-ton to half-ton is irrelevant? C'mon....

Correct- tho that's a 3/4-tonner. Diesel from GM in my 1/2-ton was $2390 over the 4-cyl, and nets you another 120 miles of range. Significantly better deal than $19,500 and 70 miles.

Arizona levies registration fees based on the base MSRP of a vehicle. A $67,500 Rivian will cost you $1134 the first year. It declines every year, but on that MSRP, 10 years of ownership will cost you $5,789 just for license plates. This applies to all vehicles, the slight difference being that most BE vehicles have above average starting MSRPs. I think that means a -say- GMC Sierra Denali 1500 ($56,800 : $954) would go off of the base Sierra's MSRP ($32,300 : $542).

In reading their website further, it provides an expected range of SIXTY miles... depending of course on vehicle weight, terrain & driving style. This is a joke, right?!? $70 grand, no installation, and a max of 60 miles range? Anyone think they'll sell any?

Again; to correct David's earlier post [ "you can go small block look, but an electric motor replacement."], here is the 2022 list of crate IC small blocks available ~ 350 base : 265 / 351 350 Deluxe : 300 / 335 HT 383 : 323 / 444 350HO : 333/ 381 Ram Jet 350 : 350 / 403 SP350 : 357 / 407 SP350 : 385 / 405 ZZ6 : 404 / 406 ZZ6 EFI : 420 / 408 SP383 Deluxe : 435 / 445 SP383 EFI : 450 / 436 LS3 : 430 / 425 LS364 : 452 / 441 LSX376-B15 : 476 / 444 LSX376-B8 : 476 / 475 LS376-480 : 495 / 473 LS376 : 525 / 486 DR525 : 525 / 494 LS376 : 533 / 477 LSX454 : 627 / 586 LS9 : 638 / 604 Discontinued : LS427 505/470, LSA 556/551 No worries IC fans; more than enough IC goodness to suit your needs!

? NO ; the big block crate is alive & flourishing, along with the small block. SO MANY choices! 2022 big blocks available ~ ZZ632 : 1004 / 876 ZZ572 : 727 / 680 ZZ572 : 621 / 645 ZZ502 : 508 / 580 502HO : 461 / 558 ZZ454 : 469 / 519 454HO : 438 / 500 ZZ427 : 480 / 490 HT502 : 406 / 541 As for Webb motor works; their electric-motor-inside-a-V8-casting costs between $50 grand and $70 grand! A ZZ502 is $15K! You could build FOUR hot rod ZZ502s for the cost of ONE Webb kit.