longtooth

And that is where your SL1 was aimed. Lot of debate within the ranks at the time re: Saturn. I knew GM would be loathe to see it fail through the early years. I like the entire line-up of Saturn currently and silently rebuke myself for not buying the Aura last year over the G6 GTP.

http://www.smartmoney.com/breaking-news/on...8&afl=yahoo (the link to Sharon's article) An excerpt from the article: By Sharon Terlep Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES DETROIT -(Dow Jones)- General Motors Corp. (GM) Chief Executive Rick Wagoner has taken to YouTube to convince the world that that the auto maker will emerge from its latest turmoil. Wagoner, in an unusual move for an executive of one of the world's largest companies, used the popular video sharing web site to stress that GM is doing what needs to be done to overcome the challenges facing the company. Chairman/CEO Wagoner's YouTube Link. So far no comments. Wonder if he ever scans this site of ours? Enjoy.

Please! It isn't even enough to save General Motors. By Alex Taylor III, senior editor (first paragraph) NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Given the prolonged drum roll of publicity that accompanied the unveiling of the Chevrolet Volt electric vehicle last week, it isn't surprising that any number of onlookers got caught up in the enthusiasm. When people begin referring to it as a "game changer" and a "paradigm shift," it's time to inject a bracing dose of reality... http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/22/news/compa...rce=yahoo_quote Volt is a lightning rod. I am definitely interested in acquiring one for myself when they are ready. I know that internally GM is attempting to price the Volt closer to the mid-30 thousand dollar price-point and cross their fingers in the hopes of Congress allowing a $5000 to $7500 tax credit for purchasing one. We'll see provided that GM isn't stopped in its tracks by some as-yet-unforeseen wrinkle in the tenuous economic fabric of our times.

McCain can say that regarding smaller Government because the comment services the foam-at-the-mouth-military-leg-humping-George-Bush-loving 'basers' (the 26%) devoted to Conservatism, the GOP and the Holy Grail of the GOP: small Government. We're going to have a rather large Government presence in our lives and well beyond our own time given the horrendous economic meltdown fostered under their stewardship of America and that great unregulated casino, Wall Street. We're all Socialists now comrades. My screen-name is Longtooth and I approved of this message.

Well, this view of yours contradicts my remembrances of Xs and Js of that vintage soldiering on well into the 90's here in the frozen North. Just my take you see. See you, I'm heading off to hit the sack.

Then I only have a couple of years or so on you then, perhaps a decade. (I'm 52) My flaw as I perceive it is that I truly never grew up. The 80's were more or less 'my' decade, my life being intertwined with the rise n' fall of GM and leading to where I and GM are, still entwined (ruefully)... So as I watch the continuing ebb and flow of the financial markets, the auto industry and politics simultaneously it gives me pause as to how some differences regarding cars built a quarter of a century ago can still inspire conflicting passions today. I love going back in time and those X's and J's were well-received in their time. A few venerable examples still ply the highways. I had a 1982 Chevy Citation X-11 in Redwood Metallic. That thing took corners like no one's business. I traded that on a 1985 Pontiac Fiero GT in August of 1985 and while the appearance and presentation of the Fiero was stunning, she couldn't hold the road as well as her X-Bodied relative. The rear drive Fiero basically had an X-Body front-drive moved to the rear, minus the steering componentry of course. Still I loved it for several years and gradually grew into my pick-up truck phase beginning with the stunning redesign of GM's C/K trucks unleashed to stunning success in April of '87. Memories are still fairly vivid...

Unequivocally, Meh... :-(

'Biz, remember these are the opinions of 'kids' (relative to us) extrapolating backwards what has become the mantra of the present day, to wit: 'foreign is better'. As Generation iPod is given to stating: 'meh'...

I'll hoist one to you then 'Biz. You know of what you speak. I would say that going forward, GM really needs to apply what they/we preach to what we build. I'll do what I can in my small part. As for the 1980's vintage J's and X's, it was something to see and something to have been privileged to have been a part of. Like the song says: " They can't take that away from me".- George and Ira Gershwin.

The J-Body, coming on the heels of the at-the-time successful X-Body program. They were initially well received. As a 20-something autoworker in the Spring of '82, I can still remember the new Cavaliers lined up and showing their pretty faces on Main Street at Stockburger Chevrolet in Newtown, Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Right in the heart of town. Real Americana. You really had to have been there to have understood the heady nature of the times and sweeping dynamic of it all. 26 and one-half years ago. Middle of an oil-shock induced recession. My goodness.

I transferred out of the Doraville plant (for Wilmington) exactly two years ago this morning. When I had started work there slightly more than four years ago, management was beginning implementation of GMS and slowly ramping-up production of the 210 crossover van. A stop-gap for the up and coming Lambdas. I was awed by the history of the place. For the incoming transferees Doraville was at the time a sought-after location. The sheet metal stamping plant was (and still is until this Friday) a modern marvel. I'd like to say hello to GM Doraville's Nino DiFiore from competitive engineering and my friend and former supervisor Don Singer. Good people. I miss the local environs of Doraville, Dunwoody and Atlanta. Quite a cosmopolitan area. I lived just 2.1 miles from the plant in Metro Atlanta's Dunwoody suburb just 19 miles or so from Hartsfield-Jackson Airport. I was homesick at first following my move down there, but I gradually warmed to the area and it to me. I was more or less accepted by the local citizens. There was friction as it applied to the new guy on the block but even that went away after a brief period. In my time with General Motors I have been grateful for my job and I thank God for it every day. I think that I kept up my end of the bargain. Yet I saw many of the issues being debated and discussed on this site and others as it pertains to what 'ails' GM. I have my opinions and I'll just hold onto them for now. Sorry to see such a proud plant with its storied history winking out of existence.

The GOP/Republican base have their tentacles into everything down here to the extent that the flim-flamming of your southern neighbors took place at their capricious whim and at their pleasure. Well, the piggy-bank's broken and we're creating 'wealth' to bail ourselves out. The financial pages here lament the lack of car buyers. Funny*. People here are out of work so they aren't buying cars. Home values and home equity has become a quaint memory and those folks are not going to be tapping their home's value to purchase a new ride. We may see levels of sales here consistent with the actual purchasing capabilities of the American consumer. Likely to see U.S. sales stagnate in the range of 12.75 to 13.5 million per year for several years to come as the dust continues to settle. *ironic and sad

Why not just indict our Capitalist-cum-Socialist system? With the massive rescue of the Financial System, we're all Socialists now. These same people saw National Health-Care as too expensive to implement. The frauds.

Yes, "S" she's a looker. I'm too tall to fit at 6'7". I had two Fiero GT's '85 and '86. No problem. Camaros and Trans Ams no problem. I'll just have to love her from a distance.

Yes 'Pontiac Custom-S'. Likely they've gone home if you tried calling after 10:50 pm edst. We were down for the week leading into the Labor Day holiday here. (week of 08-27-08) The hard-top Solstice is a sweet-looking car.

Pontiac's flag-ship hot rod was a Trans Am/WS6/Firehawk until not that long ago. For me that sinister flared-nostril 'Hawk or WS6 spelled doom for anything with 4 or 6 cylinders (and some V8 Mustangs) plying the streets. I had an '02 black WS6 and an '02 black Firehawk (last black 'Hawk on the East Coast I was told) purchased from Peruzzi Pontiac/GMC/Buick. I had my fun with 'em and then moved on to something else. Now I am waiting for my SS Camaro, but still lament that at least for the time being, that there'll be no Trans Am for Pontiac. We Build Excitement: Pontiac. As an added incentive, now there are f*ckin' Hyundai Genesis' to shame. Hyundai, can you believe that sh*t?

The "Mark of Excellence" strikes back! & :camarosmile: (mine)

The stock been a part of my PSP since the 80's as well as part of my discretionary portfolio. Loyalty to GM keeps it where it is and in consideration of my age and assets there it will stay.

Once GM has encapsulated and packaged it's "legacy" commitments and an economic recovery takes hold across the globe things will look a lot better for General Motors going down the road.

Aim high, get near what you want. Old negotiating tactic. I believe they'll get the rest too. In Pelosi I trust....

Roger that. Currently restoring a relatively low mileage '93 Z28. Some pep left in her and a bit rough around the edges but otherwise a decent looking example of that vintage. Also drive a 2007 G6 GTP. The whoosh factor of the Z over the G6 is appreciable. I'm somewhat amazed at what they can wring out of the 3.6. I can appreciate both for their own virtues, but I'd rather scoot around town in the Z and go farther afield in the G6. I also have an '06 Yukon (6.0 liter) for serious people-moving and towing. Like you, I can anticipate an aftermarket blower for the upcoming V6 Camaro. Why they've not chosen to christen a Z28 model leaves me puzzled somewhat but I can't wait to eventually get my hands on a new SS Camaro. We'll see.

There's a lotion that'll take care of it but you'll still have warts in that area.

300 Horsepower V6. The '93 tuned down LT-1 made 275 horses. I love technology sometimes. Like when it can find oil somewhere that we don't need to send soldiers to baby-sit the commodity.

As the 'redistribution' of wealth continues across the globe and less and less of that wealth finds its way into the hands of consumers, prices will inevitably fall. The whole global economy is a pyramid scheme on a grand scale. Millions upon millions in China, India, the continent of Africa etc., are living in abject poverty that we here posting on this forum from the comfort of our dwellings cannot imagine.

Yes 'TED', perhaps, but I think they feel that their discernings are unquestionably impeccable as well. Like wine snobs. Know any of those? I can only dream of being that boorish.