Intrepidation

I never, ever leave my keys in the car, unless it's to warm it up on a cold day, and then I lock the car and use my spare. Car thefts aren't too common in my neighborhood (though in othe rparts of teh city they are), but I wouldn't leave them in there if I was the only person around for 20 miles.

Yes, too bad it's weak and doesn't have a 7 ton BOF architecture that gets 4 gallons per mile.

On par while using the corporate stereo and the 9-3's door panels...what a joke. At least the Escalade gets its own door panels...and remember it's a flop on that side of the pond too.

Yeah, good point, especially if the Chrysler is supposed to be the "upmarket" version. Oh well...they aren't that bad (to me), though not as good as what's in my Intrepid. Still, I don't find the Malibu's design any better, but it may trump it materials wise (I dunno, I haven't sat in it yet). Anyway, edmunds has a video up of the car now, and seeing it in a more real world situation, it looks a lot better...I think I like it again (in R/T form).

So have you lovingly fondled the dash and had your way with it? Thereby knowing exactly what materials do or do not grace the vehicle? The problem is that DCX stupid shows us pics of a gray interior. They should know by now gray = not good. I want to see the black/cream interior. Design wise..I almost prefer it to the Malibu...there's better integration of the shifter and the climate control knobs. The Malibu owns this as far as interior colors, but design wise not as much. I like aspects of both. Materials are the key, and unlike some of you, I won't ass judgment until I've been in both.

That's what I was wondering. Doubt it.

I'd rather have this: Than this ugly "Pontiac" butt: Seriously people, not only is the Holden better looking, but Pontiac's "style" as been hideous as of late (G6 GXP). I'll take this "bland" (which I don't think it is), handsome car over anything else in the Pontiac lineup (save the Solstice)

Interesting. Nice Sig.

They will never be taken seriously as an enthusiast's car until they include manual transmissions. Also they will just be laughed at for that body kit.

Mitsubishi takes the time to tune the chassis. They aren't gonna f@#k up the reputation of the Evo. And they can at least make the roof more graceful than DCX did. The platform was jointly developed. Lancer/Compass/Patriot/Caliber/Sebring/Avenger (and possibly the new Dodge CUV) use a version of this platoform.

Uh huh...right...

Who gives a $h!? It happened 70 years ago. Every country and company makes mistakes. Europe, Russia, America, Japan, China. No one is perfect so get over it. Stop lamenting the past and get on with your lives.

Here we go again...people will start complain that it doesn't look like a Pontiac or it's a badge job, yadda yadda. Seriously, the Holden is a very handsome car, it doesn't look Japanese like the G6 does. Be thankful we're getting a RWD sports sedan period, and that isn't ugly the Grand Prix. Who can define what a real Pontiac looks like these days anyway? The G6? The G5? Or maybe the Torrent?! The only thing I consider to be a real Pontiac is the Solstice, and the GTO. This would belong in that catagory because it fulfills the majot requirements: RWD, handsome, not Japanese looking, and sporty.

I wonder if Fusion owns rub their faces on the grill to shave the...and on the deck lid to trim when they're done?

No. Tail fins died in the 70's and that's where they should stay. No retro stuff for this car. Putting the picof the new CTS and old CTS together and it becomes apparent just how dated the current one now looks. Cadillac did a great job. The silver CTS looks much better I think.

Initial impressions are mixed. While it's certainly better than the Sebring, and it's pretty close to the concept, I think it suffers the same sort of problem the Aura did compared to it's "concept" version. The smaller wheel flares, less aggressive lower fascia, and smaller wheels take away what I liked so much about the "concept". The other thing I don't like, at all, is that the roofline (like the Sebring, though not as bad) doesn't slope gracefully into the deck...the Charger does a better job...how can the Charger be graceful?! As for the interior, I like the design quite a bit, I just hope you can get in in black/cream like the concept and not cheap looking gray. Maybe it'll look better in person.

For comparison: Dodge Avenger R/T Concept

From inside Line There are at least a couple of reasons why the 2008 Dodge Avenger might look familiar. First, the midsize Avenger — or D-class in Euro parlance — bears a striking resemblance to the full-size Dodge Charger. The smaller Dodge, which the company unveiled at the Detroit auto show, has the same basic shape. It has the same rear haunch. It has similar squinting quad headlamps. It's more than just the family resemblance or brand DNA that marketers and designers are forever talking about. The Avenger looks simply like a shrunken Charger. The other reason that you might feel a sense of déjà vu is that the production Avenger, which will go on sale in the first quarter of this year, looks damn near identical to the "concept" Avenger that Dodge unveiled at September's Paris auto show. We haven't driven the Avenger yet but we imagine that the experience will be pretty familiar to us. That's because the Chrysler Sebring, which we have driven, is almost identical mechanically. We were not terribly impressed with it. We'll hold out hope for the Avenger, though. It comes standard with the 2.4-liter inline-4 that makes 173 horsepower. There will be two optional V6s. The 2.7-liter DOHC V6 makes 189 hp and is the engine that did not move us greatly in our Sebring test car. We're more excited about the 3.5-liter V6 that comes standard on the R/T version of the car. At 235 hp, this engine is nearly powerful enough to compete with the leaders in the midsize class. The 3.5-liter also comes mated to a six-speed automatic instead of the four-speed box that comes with the lesser engines. A first for the Avenger is an optional all-wheel-drive system. It's offered only on the R/T model and is a front-biased system. Dodge also offers most of the new comfort and convenience items that Chrysler has been promoting recently. You get the Chill Zone thing standard. That's an air-conditioned box in the instrument panel that can hold and keep cool four soda cans. You can also get heated and cooled cupholders (minimum temperature: 35 degrees; maximum: 140 degrees). Apparently Dodge plans for Avenger owners to do quite a lot of drinking. You can also opt for the MyGIG system that has a 20-gig hard drive for storing music and pictures, although we're not quite sure why you'd really want to store photographs in your car. If you choose to get no options on your Avenger, you can get one as cheaply as $18,895.

It looks like it can fly.

Depending on your view point.

Well, we had the negative terminal connector replaced cuz the old one had cracked and the wire was exposed. I guess they didn't put it on quite right. That poor car is so old and has so many miles it's a wonder it still goes....but it's like the frickin' Energizer Bunny: It keeps going and going and going (and leaking) and going and going....

I bet the EVo X will run circles around this thing...and look better doing it too.

yeah...ya know nothing makes a better delivery car than a beater

On paper it does but I believe reviews have had issues with the lack of feedback in the steering and the overly intrusive nannies.

I love the profile, but that weird thing by the quarter windows looks stupid. Why not just simple, elegant kick-up? The grill things under the tail lights look moronic. I pray that the final version looses that crap...there's a very nice looking car behind the screw-ups.