Intrepidation

The LX cars. What you all keep forgetting that the Zeta platform you're all creaming yourselves over and swearing up and down (without driving it) is better than the LX platform isn't in production in America yet. The Charger's sales continue to be strong, the 300 has not dropped dramatically, and the Magnum sells badly because people are idiots who think they need an SUV instead of a wagon...cuz it's uncool (to have a 345 hp wagon wih 20" wheels...yeah...uncool indeed ). I suppose the FWD ancient platform on which the Impala is based is superior? Or maybe the archaic Panther platform with it's pathetic 220 something horsepower V8 is better? Oh it must be the lame ass 500-err Taurus that's superior? No? Didn't think so. Until the G8 is on sale there is nothing that can comepete with the LX cars. The Caliber is competetive. The interior may be cheap but it is functional. I see more of them than Cobalts and Cobalts have been out longer. The Nitro is unique to this class in that it's not a p*ssy CUV. It has style, power, and functinality. How many vehicles in it's class have all of those attributes? The CR-V? The Viper (though a niche product) is more than competitive. It is an excellent beast of a machine just as the Corvette is. The Avenger may not be perfect (roofline) but then neither is the new Malibu (lame-ass...pun intended), it may be down 20 or so horsepower, but it has a 6-speed and is no slouch. I may not care for the Sebring but peopel obviously like it if it sells. My girlfriend thinks it's very pretty for example. The Pacifica started the large Crossover craze. it's not perfect but it's a handsome vehicle with a beautiful interior and a good powertrain. 3rd road occupants may not love it but the first 2 rows probably do. The PT Cruiser is still a decent seller after all these ears and kicked off the retro fad that GM itself decided to copy. The Durango is aging but is still unique size-wise. The Ram has it's own loyal following and is no pushover truck. The GMT-900's are superior (except the trannies), but they are newer, so that's expected. The Dakota has the only V8 in it's class and the highest towing capacity. It's worlds better than the $h!box Canyon/Colorado twins. -- The Sebring may not be my cup of tea but people obviously like it if it sells. My girlfriend likes i a lot and thinks it's very pretty for example. The PT Cruiser kicked off the retro fad with GM copying it eventually. It still sells decently. The Pacifica created the large crossover market. It still oooks good, has an excellent interior, and has a good powertrain. 3d row occupants may not love it but the first 2 rows probably do.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/...11934.html?pg=1 One Article from Flint that is actually good.

They are replaceing the part no charge when it gets in. Until then we've got 3 people and 2 working cars...both Dodges...non reliable my ass

They are replaceing the part no charge when it gets in. Until then we've got 3 people and 2 working cars...both Dodges...non reliable my ass

Another blindly loyal GM person who says "f@#k Chrysler" It's really no better than the Toyota import humpers

I know. Even though this may be a GM fansite, we should not wish bad thing on Chrysler. It's been an American company for a long time. If it dies, so does a part of our culture. Of course some people here don't give a $h! and are too blind by their own GM bias to care what happens to it. Oh and I'm pretty sick of the whole "TEH LX C4RZ 4R3 T3H SUX0RZ!1! Z3T4 1Z T3H B3ST3ST!!1" sentiment. If it weren't for the LX cars we may not have Zeta. Chrysler was the only one with the guts to stop making FWD large cars and take a risk. If Zeta is superior it's because it's a new f@#king platform so no $h!, I'd expect it to be better. On a final note, the 3.5L is far from a bad engine, especially since it's the mid-level (used to be Charger's base) engine. 250 horesepower is nothing to sneeze at.

I know. Even though this may be a GM fansite, we should not wish bad thing on Chrysler. It's been an American company for a long time. If it dies, so does a part of our culture. Of course some people here don't give a $h! and are too blind by their own GM bias to care what happens to it. Oh and I'm pretty sick of the whole "TEH LX C4RZ 4R3 T3H SUX0RZ!1! Z3T4 1Z T3H B3ST3ST!!1" sentiment. If it weren't for the LX cars we may not have Zeta. Chrysler was the only one with the guts to stop making FWD large cars and take a risk. If Zeta is superior it's because it's a new f@#king platform so no $h!, I'd expect it to be better. On a final note, the 3.5L is far from a bad engine, especially since it's the mid-level (used to be Charger's base) engine. 250 horesepower is nothing to sneeze at.

Holy freakin' crap. That's the find of a lifetime!

This was very apparent when Chrysler rolled out the ME-412 prototype, and it as canned because the guys in Germany were pissed that Chrysler could do what they did with teh SLR for a fraction of the cost. They were too busy bickering mongst themselves and way too full of themselves to capitalize on the potential Chrysler Group has. They could havs pushhed Chrysler upmarket and had 2 luxury branches that bing in more money and would appeal to different people, but were to stuck up about Mercedes being superior. It's not strong name yet they are the voume seller for DCX...right.

They want to try n American car, it's their dad that doesn't. But it's her money. I'm just giving them a hand picking out a good one. I thought about the Alera and Aurora, I think they would suite her better than a Buick, and the Implala's interior is just not pretty. i'll have to ask him what they thought of the Grand Am's interior, that'll give me an idea on their standards. I might suggest a late previous gen Grand Prix. I here the Focus has some shoddy reliablity so I'll pass. Most Intrepids seem to have good reliablity save for 2.7L issues, which seem to come from changing the oil less often than 3k miles. Simple solution is go sythetic (what I'm doing). So the list includes: Intrepid Concorde/LHS 300M Possibly Cobalt Alero Grand Prix Possibly Grand Am Aurora 2ng Gen neon (friend's mother has had her's since 2000 with not one problem). How decent are the Stratus generations?

What an idiot. Any driver with an ounce of skill and a little brain power can handle a car on slippery roads, especially if it's not going fast. I'd be pissed if the car refused to move because it was a little slippery. I drive the Prizm and the Shadow throw snow, if they get stuck I turn the wheels as I go or put it in reverse, get traction, and go again. It''s not that hard and it's a lot better than not being able to do anything because your car won't let you. Oh and dumbass, there's a difference between traction control and forcing your car to not move.

This is very important indeed. My friend (who has a Toyota Corolla I've mentioned before), his sister got a job I guess and she needs a car now. His family has always bought Japanese cars (they're Asian). Well I've talked with him before about some of the hot new American cars (he wants a Saturn Sky someday), and he was very impressed with my Intrepid, so both him and his sister want to give American cars a chance. The problem is that their dad is very bias and refuses to allow anything besides Japanese cars into the family. I find it screwy because it's her money that she's using to buy a car, but whatever. So here's the challenge: I need to come up with a list of good, used American cars, mainly 1999 and up. I'm not sure what their exact budget is, but the `00 Grand AM they looked at for 6k seemed like a "good deal" to him. I want to make sure that their first American cars is a good one that will leave a lasting, postive impression. The next part of the challenge is to convince their dad that American cars are just as good, if not better than Japanese cars, especially newer ones. So my the first part of my plan is to take his sister, and if possible her dad, for a ride in the Intrepid. I also suggested that I accompany them when they go car shopping, since he knows I know a good deal about cars. Finally, I need some help listing off some good cars for around 6k (or less). I have to research reliability and prices, but my first thoughts were Cobalt, 2nd Gen Neon, Aurora, Intrepid, maybe Taurus. How do those sound so far, and any other suggestions? This is a big opportunity guys!

Dude you should have bought it. Those cars are awesome pocket rockets.

Not long ago it was Chrysler being profitable and saving the company's ass while Mercedes was up $h! creek because of their horrible quality problems. Chrysler has a few bad months and now their up for auction. I really hate the bastards in Germany who'd rather take the easy way out than commit. The merger was a bad idea to begin with. Honestly, if someone had to buy it I guess it should be GM since at least that would make Chrysler American again. But that would just make the company another brand for GM, not a real company anymore. Plus GM has enough brands to worry about, the last thing they need is more. I wish they'd just split Chrysler Group away from Mercedes and allow it to be it's own company again.

Ew. I like the hatchback a lot...this however is ugly and awkwardly proportioned.

AH, ok.

7,000 miles overdue? Why did you wait so long? You could have had a shop do it for 30 bucks (at the most) yourself if your dad didn't want to do it). Also...what are you driving? No where in the post does it ssay.

You mean Infiniti?

ZOMG! You just admitted a FWD with a transversely mounted motor was cool! Are you feeling ok? But yeah Neon SRT-4's are badass. Whereas most 4-bangeres sound like lawn mowers when people mod them, this thing sounds deep, I swear it almost sounds like a V8 at idle. I would so own one.

I should go out and buy a white Fridge that's celebrating 50 years of being a bland box that keeps things fresh, take some cardboard wheels and then I'd have pretty much the same thing.

Here we go again. So they replaced both the master and slave clutch cylinders. It worked good...for about a week. Saturday night while I was delivering I started having problems. I would have the clutch all the way in and the car sounded like it was going to stall when it was at as stop and in first (like if you were taking the clutch off without giving it gas). It wouldn't come out of gear either...and when I tried to go it would lurch forward and stall. It did this to be like 10 times, and when I got stuck being stalled horizontally in the middle of a main road I had enough. It's like it's gonna kill me one of these times! So I go home and get the Shadow...which made a much better companion for the remainder or the delivery, and Sunday. So this morning we took it to the shop to have it looked at. an hour ago I called them and they said the part they put in, which is aftermarket, doesn't seem to be doing the job, so they have to order in a factory cylinder. They had me take it home since it may not be in for a couple of days. I got it home but there's like no feeling to the clutch. On the bright side I don't think I'll be charged for this...but still it's annoying as hell

NASCAR just sucks. The management, the cars, the going in circles for 4 hours...

They should split and Chrysler should be it's own company. Mercedes gave them nothing that they couldn't build themselves or that mattered. An RWD platform was under development to replace the LH cars before the takeover, and the LX is only loosely based on the E-Class. The Crossfire doesn't sell anyway...the worst they could loose is the Sprinter. The engines and transmissions they use are for the most part developed in-house or developed with another company. The 5-speed in the LX cars is the only one that is Mercedes sourced. The companies should be split, and the Chrysler just needs to get concessions like what GM and Ford did, streamline it's management, focus on interiors, and redo some exteriors and they'd be in better shape I think. Screw the Germans.

He is not a tard, he is an uber-tard. Or Uber-f@#ktard. Whichever your fancy.

The snowday actually worked out very well for me. It pushed the due date for my 3D from today until Thursday (today is Monday's schedule), and pushed the due date for my photography class from last Wednesday (the snow day) until today...even though I was done with that project. It did shorted the time we have for the next photography project but that's ok. So itr worked out ok for me, sorry about yours though. Calc must suck.