Intrepidation

If the tC gets better than 16.8 in the city it gets better economy than the Cobalt

Quotted for Truth.

I like the tC and that's it.

Why do you torment my eyes so?! I like the colors...there, I said something nice about it.

How could I forget to mention the CTS?

I think the same can be said about almost all automakers

In the same way an Aztek is as beautiful as an Aston Marton :AH-HA_wink: I thought it grew in size? Then again I haven't check the specs yet. -- Sorry for hijacking your thread K.C.

Well CARBIZ, should I be thanking you for putting words in my mouth? Well allow me to stuff you with the correct ones. I never called the new Malibu a POS (the old one, you bet). I'll try elaborating for you. I never commented on it's driving dynamics I haven't commented on the materials that make up the interior I have said before the powertrain choices outside of the Mild Hybrid were excellent ones I have said before I liked the overall interior design I have said I liked interior colors besides the gray I have said I like the exterior except for the rear end You apparently failed to read that bolded word "perception". My areas of concern/critizism lie in what I've seen. I'll point them out again: Too many cutlines in the dash Plain looking and unimaginative door panels Center stack that was pulled right out of the Aura (at least it's not black) The overall design is good, but it lacks that careful attention to detail that you can see in the Accord and Mazda6. You can see it in the photos without sitting in it. While the Accord's controls may look and be complex (I don't know) and so may the Mazda6's They don't look like they were taken from another car. Someone took the time to design each aspect to be unique. There are less cutlines which makes for a cleaner look, and lots of small details are easily visible. It may be as good, but you know what they say about first impressions right?You want to know what mentality has been killing GM, Ford, and Chrysler for many years? "It's good enough" It's like they stop trying 1/2 - 3/4th's of the way and leave it at that. Look at the Avenger: Aggressive design that I personally like but it admittedly needed more detail work done to it. Interior looks alright but is is cheap overall. It's no where near class leading. Fusion is great in many ways but is being denied the new 3.5 V6 and its center stack is bland and ugly. Why is it such a difficult concept to just give 100% effort and not cheap out? You need to spend money to make money. Give it 100% and you'll get better results than if you gave it 80%. Just because the Camry is sliding down the ramp in quality and design doesn't mean you can or should slack off. You don't go trying to prove you can be the best buy not putting your best effort into it. It's not like they lack the ability to do it either...look at how good the Lambdas are and the new Vue.

My, My...the intelligent use of vocabulary really helps back up whatever point they were trying to make. Then you look at posts like Fly's and see where the real intelligence lies.

Honestly, I don't think you've got room to talk when it comes to calling people bias. The new Malibu is good, but it's got tough competition from the Accord and Mazda6. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the perception gap is still there. If you look at the attention to detail in the Accord and 6 versus the Malibu you can see that it still has work to do.

Something that works?

:rotflmao: @ the bolded part. The G8's is good but design wise it's not any better, I'd say about on par...materials I have no idea.

I was refering to the need to put the "junk" comment in there.

How is it not a real station wagon?

Aspen (but put its interior in the Durango) Compass (the Patriot is more Jeep than the Compass, why would you want to dump it?) Commander (A real Jeep but just doesn't have a place in the market) Nitro I'm uncertain of Magnum doesn't really cost extra to build since it's a 300 Touring in other countries, plus the plant is flexible. The Magnum is unique in a sea of SUVs and CUVs and I'm glad we have it

Oh, I gotcha...silly me I misread. Well let's bust out the drinks and par-tay!

Always at least one Chrysler bashing per thread.

I'm confused...While I'm all for the Tundra being down, why does the sales ticker say the contrary? TUNDRA 18,919 11,173 69.3 124,909 78,916 57.5

All I have to say is Jerry got

While the LH cars are a size class above the W-bodies of the time, as BV points out, they were comparable in price and power. Reliability is an area where I would give the W-bodies a nod due to the LH's 2.7 issues, but as I've learned, they tend to require more care than your average engine, but, as I can attest to thus far, they can go the distance. In terms of recalls, the LH models have 9 VS 8 for the GP and only 3 for the Intrigue...but then it was only on the market a short time. In terms of known troubles the Intrigue has the least listed (7) followed by the Intrepid with 9 and 14 with the GP. (This is off of auto.consumerguide) In terms of driving dynamics, I've never driven the Olds so I can't personally say, but the LHs were known for their sporty handling.

Except Saturn was pretty much dying with the mediocre products it had. Plastic panels were unique but the design inside and out was lackluster and so were the driving Dynamics. I'll take the new Saturn over the old any day.

And the Malibu is outclassed by another car I'd say. I love it.

Ours has an electric Geo Metro hatch...complete with unpainted bumpers!

I bet it's recalled for lead paint and leaking batteries. Oha nd I bet it crumples like tin foil in a low-speed accident

Honestly, it's not that bad looking overall, but the bulging light lenses front and back are disgusting and make it look like it's about to burst. The droopy head ligh shapes don't help either. The Aurion looks a lot better. I wouldn't buy the car simply because I hate how it's marketed with complete arrogance and that it the greatest gift to the world ever, and there are other cars I find more attractive. Question: Why do you own a Prius?