turbo200

Off the top of my head, it sounds like they are taking a note from GMs scorebook. It sounds like Ford has come to thier senses, but only maybe because now they might have seen or heard or began to believe in the design revolution going on down at GM. IT sounds to me like this is GMs story going on all over again, except this time design is suffering for different reasons.

I think we all get tired of racist jokes even when they're not meant in an offensive way---they still are offensive and that's what they were designed to be. I try to stay out of it as much as possible, but sometimes I read something that makes me cringe.

After seeing one in person I have to agree----but the rear leaves a lot to be desired. I didn't get to take a long look at it though, just a quick glance. From what I saw the front was impressive (though it seemed to be propped up towards the sky), and the rear was bland and old-style looking.

I thought the 300 shared a rear axle with the E-class and a transmission and that was about it? I know it shares a specific component, but the LX cars are mostly all Chrysler, MB came on after they were done and donated that part to demonstrate the cost savings possible.

redline is 8k on the z?

thanks griffon, I know Saab has better senses than to release a careless rebadge such as this (key word: careless).

I just went back and alayzed all this pictures for a good two minutes. I still don't see why the Tahoe is all that much of a letdown in terms of design. If you don't like the way the center stack protrudes and think it is tacky [KaliRover], then by all means that's just your preference. I guess some of the ones you mentioned "flow" better, but that doesn't excuse thier glaring quality deficiencies, and also design deficiencies. The Armada's center stack is cheap-looking and is alluminum done wrong, I always prefer alluminum that looks like titanium, or has a really good finish to it like in the S40, this does not match those standards, and for that it goes down in my book. Further, there's the issues of materials quality in the Armada, and the atrocious door panel design. It's all one big block, not that much invention there too me at least. The Durango is at least ten steps behind in the materials department, and, okay it flows well, but you can't tell me the vast expanses of alluminum between the head units and the black plastic where the seat heaters are are cleverly designed. When I look at the Durango to measure quality it screams rough and unfinished, the Tahoe says quality job. This is really not the greatest argument to have, we're talking about Chevy here, they are everyman, they don't necessarily have to have breakthrough designs for interiors, especially in a grocery-getter, let's wait for the Cadillac and Yukon to have those discussions.

That's one thing I am afraid of. I think the "base" models of these warmed over cars are doing more to hurt a potential Buick comeback anytime soon. If GM really wants Buick to come back they will at least make Buicks LOOK like luxury cars on the outside, and not rental specials. I don't think I'm flipping for joy for the pricing, though this is right where Aurora pricing was years ago. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Have to wait and see how they drive.

damn BV, didn't know you had such great skills, very admirable, I would love to design like that, so I will learn someday. It looks pretty cool to me, I'm just impressed with your talent.

It was incredible, just glad to see everyone make it alive. I can only imagine what they were going through.

I was going to say Nissan too, I think part of it is the color.

Beautiful. Home run. Can't wait to see the rear. Just showed it to a friend who doesn't really know cars, but likes em, and he thinks it's awesome. I love the interior. The way the dash meets the console is perfect.

Oh, and one more thing, I have it on very good word that the Tahoe doesn't compare to what GM has in store for the next couple of years. As Josh has been saying for some days already (grrrrr...) we are in for a wild ride.

Completely agree, bobo. The Nissan Armada isn't my favorite SUV, mainly because of styling and quality inside. I just, in my opinion, don't see anything very special, and the materials are particularly lowgrade. The Expedition doesn't come close in terms of design or materials [to the new Tahoe, presumably]. The Sequoia has nice materials for the most part, as with most Toyotas, but it's design is not as luxurious as this new Tahoe's design. Granted, arguing about the Tahoe's materials is semantics because no one here has touched them. I know I started that argument, and I was really basing it on experience with recent GMs. I haven't yet been in the Impala so I can't speak for it, but from what I've seen of it, it does look to be very impressive, and if Edmunds can like it, I'm not sure if thier would be anything i would complain about. Others here have mentioned an opionion of it not being up to par, I will just have to reserve judgment until I sit in it. However, both the Impala and the Tahoe at least look a very quality part, much more so than the F-series thanks to those awful corporate units. HAve you sat in an F-series, or any new Ford for the matter? To me, they aren't really that impressive.

Croc brings up a good point, ultimately the Expedition is the interior we should be comparing the Tahoe to, and it fails. However, I don't doubt the Expedition will be redesigned with an even better interior. KaliRover, the interior is best in class. Yes, it doesn't make design revolution, but the quality and inclusion of new, better features make it tops in class. Why? Well, just looking at the materials, I am sure it will be near the top or at the top for material quality. Aside from quality, the design is great, even if it's not revolutionary, it's great, and highly functional. It is reminiscent of VW interiors, not a shabby comparison at all. The interior was the last piece to make the Tahoe a very competitive vehicle. For this redesign GM chose also to improve on the chassis and engines, resulting in a vehicle that will once again reign as class leader, and for some time to come (20mpg!!!).

WHOA. Is all I can say, not that I didn't expect this, and I don't know what, if any, reprucussions it could have, and I don't forsee any bad results. But still, that title just made me go whoa.

well, they will definitely produce something superlative, thier toyota after all, and they will need something superlative to match or beat the Tahoe. The Tahoe will no longer have to make excuses though, it's a fully realized well-designed truck. And I think it'll be classier and better looking than the Toyota.

IT's definitely good looking. I think it says HHR, but the grille looks like an Uplander as well.

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do you have any other impressions regarding the drive or interior. btw next time please take pictures :)

whooee, I agree on the age factor, it's not about age, multi-tasking is a blessing to some people, others are not as capable.

I can definitely agree with you that the layout of the Everest is very nice. I can also agree with you that the Tahoe brings nothing new to the table design-wise and probably design-wise it is lacking compared to the Everest. But the Tahoe brings enough goodness in terms of design ALONG WITH what seem to be incredibly high quality materials from the center stack all the way to the tailgate plastic---something the Fords can say but to a lesser degree (in terms of quality).

cell phones and driving should be lessened as much as possible amongst all ages, maybe a requirement for hands free? IDK, but it definitely makes a lot of people in LA stupider drivers, like they need that anyway...

burn.

Agreed. People, when you sit in the F-150 and really take time to inspect the materials (this goes for any Ford vehicle), the interiors just do not impart quality. They make look real nice, but the materials are STILL a step or two behind. Especially the controls, everywhere flimsy, plasticy, unfinished feeling controls for the HVAC, radio unit, and other controls. The only material that feels real good is the metal, and that is in the high-end version anyway. I am confident the material qaulity of the Tahoe will trounce the F-Series. Especially considering the recent strides GM has made. Reg, I couldn't agree more about that steering wheel, it is hot, and about damn time. I also see a slight Touraeg resemblance. Josh, stay away from those boards, I never visit them, I know what a nightmare they are.