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Despite mythical 'overlap' here, GM is taking a hugely successful anchor product for GMC and basically gutting it and redefining it. Acadia saved and made GMC relevant for a lot of buyers, in particular during a rough patch in the economy. You're going to now ask a lot of non enthusiast buyers, who know exactly what an Acadia is, to completely change what it is. You have no proof they wanted it to change, and no guarantee people want a frame based Yukon or any guarantee that the enclave wasn't a better option to downsize. Plus there are people who liked the choice of enclave vs terrain. On top of that the looks are ruined, it doesn't look as tough or as premium. And a four cylinder will illicit laughter. This is part of a strategy of having to comply with fuel economy regs and emissions crap. Crossovers are booming so much there is no way gmc had to do this. To introduce this new sized vehicle it should have gotten the envoy name or a new name. Sort of reeks of 'what is a CTS' anymore. We all know how successful that is. Acadia was a success because it was larger than a grand Cherokee. All gmc needed to do was add a model to take that on. Redefining what an Acadia is is a mistake. Even if they think the name equity is what ultimately helps them. 2013 Malibu. Look at what good making it smaller did for them there too.

it will be interesting to see how many ATS coupes sold in 2015, divide that in two and that's about how many 'Avistas' (nice Spanish sounding name) will sell in the US......but we can't sell any all wheel drive midsize sedans.......... coupes are not just a 'tough sell'...they are almost an impossibility in the age of crossovers and sport sedans that are called coupes. If they sell 15,000 globally, fine, a liftback Insignia makes far more sense here. Need proof, the new Cruze is coming as a hatchback instead of a coupe.

the downsize is a mistake. The Acadia was hugely successful, they still need an Acadia sized entry in the showroom. This would have been better off as 'Envoy'.

I'm not feeling this car. No sex appeal, and doesn't register genuine luxury either.

well GM just went and threw a successful product in the trash everyone I know who got Acadias did so because of the size, esp the third row...... they could have brought back the Envoy name...

much better looking, (except the rear doors look out of proportion) ....should appeal to Honda bangers.....interior does not look trucky at all, this thing does have a following, looks like a good update for those that liked the last one.

GC + T&C sales maybe came close to 200k last year? nothing to sneeze at But GM will chase Buick coupes with a Camaro and ATS already out there, right? There's always going to be those that want to haul a couch or have sliding doors for babies and kids, Chrysler invented the minivan, canadians love them, it's still a great segment for them now that we see they didn't hose up the powertrain, the design, or the size. Chrysler not selling vans would be like GM not selling suburbans.

coupes don't sell (aside from pony cars) anymore, globalization or not, hard to make a case to sell it (with an ATS coupe out there at least) nice way to rile up the masses i guess

this ^^^^^ thanks for saving me a bunch of typing which Buick style is this now, btw, is it the let's make our best Asian car the chinese will like, or the best knockoff Opel, or ????

Wow. I am shocked Sergio didn't fk this up. Looks great ! I had thought it was inevitable we would be turning in our 2015 town and country when our lease is done in 24 months but now it's evident to me that rolling into a new lease may be a good choice. I'm cool with the name change. Town and country sounds way older than Pacifica. And Pacifica has name equity. Biggest thing for me is the 3.6 comes back and the physical siZe stays the same.

of course we had a taurus X and it was fantastic......drove like a car.....great hauling capability.....third row was even good. Fold down front seat meant 10 foot items could fit....even did the christmas trees inside the car. Close to a minivan as we could get without getting a van. got rid of it when the tranny and some AWD bits started acting up. But I think that's not isolated to that vehicle. Flex is the same vehicle with a stretch. A good Taurus X around 100k miles should be under ten grand, but for sure get the extended warranty. The issues we had did not seem like isolated events for just our Taurus X based upon my internet research. They seemed often enough that it made me think hanging on to mine was going to cost me. Our Aztek was good...until the tranny acted up also. We had just fwd. But boy could it haul stuff. Rendevous is good. Love our new pentastar chrysler van. They drive nicer than you'd expect and the engine is quite good. MIght surprise you how inexpensive those can get....or Routans even. Be sure to go 2012+ with the pentastar. Looked into a Magnum before also. Always wanted to find a 2008 Magnum v6 AWD. Tough to find, those have the new front end and the nicer interior. Then they killed it after they fixed it. I even did research on the mercedes R class diesel.....avoid those, those have a bad rep....or buy a REALLY good warranty. What else would you expect from a used German vehicle? Lots of people like those original Honda Pilots. Mitsubishi Endeavor was actually a great ride but it REALLY sucked gas and it says you need to use premium for those. Fuel costs with 13-15 mpg and premium will kill you if gas goes up. Prob some of those a bit large and not really wagons but i know they are good value for the $$$$

the Germans, yes I agree....they don't want to or can't compete on mainstream simplicity.

right. especially in China too, look at what the Chinese like.....dullness but looks like luxury.

long time volvo fans will love this styling direction, and are probably rejoicing.

there has actually been several late twenty early thirty somethings i know or have worked with that bought cars in the last couple years and actually more than one or two have gotten hatchbacks. One friend got a last body 2.5 skyactiv mazda3. A new coworker got her first newer car, a 14 elantra gt. Another person i had worked with had a focus hatch. I think this cruze makes the last cruze hatch look terrible, I am glad we didn't get that. This new one, the doors look like the same sedan to hatch and the windows on the side look the same too. That is good. This Cruze reminded me of the Elantra, but its lower and more rakish looking by some. I thing now that the millennials might starting to get to be able to buy cars, i feel like the hatch segment may take off again. Crossovers may not fit their budget and may be getting stigmas as old person cars. So a hatchback can provide CUV utility but be cool. I was starting to look at Malibus pretty hard but after seeing this hatch i wonder if i should wait. This is pretty cool. Thing is, the hatch practically begs for a stick and I (and my wife whose turn it is to buy) want to go back to a slush box next time. This is getting upsetting because every new car Chevy or GM puts out I want one. So, a Cruze hatch with a stick. Next gen Cruze diesel automatic. Malibu hybrid or 2.0. Camaro 4 popper with stick or / and 6 cylinder (ok one of stick and auto for that). A CT6 and XT5 and an ATS....ok I'll take a CTS also. Give me a few Buicks too.

motor trend has one on line review where they say they like the 1.5 but i swear in the printed magazine in the COTY testing, they said something opposite. C/D hasn't tested the 1.5 yet, and that is what i would compare all the performance test data to.

WOW! better than the sedan. I bet too this means we won't ever get a 5 door Buick Astra. Will this put my other Chevy lease plans on hold?

This rocks. And its GM engineering. Perfect to bring EV back to GM. Leaf buyers will say this is too spendy but you get what you pay for. This should sell and it might actually raise Leaf sales too. No BLUBOLT for ocnblu? I'd take one of these in a HEARTBEAT http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-first-drive-review/ Motor Trend prototype drive ^^^^

give em credit for trying but yeah ^^^^ very noble what they are doing. Reality is to be a surviving carmaker in the future they will need insane amounts of capital investment, and a HUGE engineering staff. Doesn't matter if they sell high volume, low margin or the opposite. It's literally guaranteed that will undersign and under engineer lots of stuff on their vehicles...although suppliers of each part will help close that gap. Tesla will probably have to joint venture with a major automaker to survive. They're trying to project the history of the tech boom and dot com boom to cars. They'll miss on the automated car thing because Google and Apple and places like that will far outspend them on that. The non electronic stuff on cars every other large automaker has decades of R&D behind them that tesla either has to buy or just wing it and hope it works. As far as that tesla fire, i only posted that as an interest item. Actually i think its an example of how the electric distribution module will require more resources, and the electric only cars will never take off rabidly until that does. Here's an example. With the new Chevy Bolt, they should start putting Bolt superchargers at every chevy dealer. And then they should also create a traveling fleet of roadside assistance emergency charge vehicles so if your Bolt goes dead but you are only a few miles from a charge station, they can come and pump your vehicle on the side of the road with some juice to get it to the next supercharger station (or maybe use that as an upset to an optional service, just like an extended warranty or OnStar.). And then gas stations will need to look to start implementing a plan to put in electric superchargers. But there are so many issues to tackle. Including standardization of charging, and then electrical service and building codes. It might be best if this is globally developed and then you know how long of a boondoggle that becomes. And then as soon as they develop it, is it obsolete ? Think cell phones and cell service. Going from 3g to 4g and then LTE. What's next? Companies like GM will be able to spur that infrastructure movement on a global level. GM and Ford and other may even combine forces and do that. Tesla is giving it the college try right now they just won't ever have the muscle. Once the bigs get in and the governments too get involved and take over its game over for Tesla, the little startup that almost could. Maybe range extenders like on the volt will be typical but really truly only will be there to be a generator to charge the battery a little when your 200 mile range goes poop. Think like a 2 cylinder 600 cc motor or something.

Bet they had to ride it hard to hit a mid eight 0-60, Plus some of the competition is a full sec faster to the same mark...... 8 speed in the 2.0 accounts for some manuf cost difference but it's still a bunch more even setting that aside. By early fall there should be a lot of leftover 2.0's on lots with healthy rebates. Am I talking to a wall here? The engine upgrades at other manufacturers are priced about the same or higher and the Malibu comes with some nice features standard that you need to pay more for at Hyundai, Honda, and Toyota. Malibu 2.0T = $28k, Sonata 2.0T = $28k, Accord V6 = $30k, Camry V6 = $32k, Mazda 6 = Not Available, Passat V6 = $36k, Ford SE 2.0T = $27k... The Malibu 2.0T is one of the least expensive engine upgrade options among its peers, so your continued ranting about the cost of the Malibu 2.0T just makes you look silly. And you want GM to price the 2.0T for the same price as the 1.5T just because they're both 4-cylinders? Do you not know how value added pricing works? Another thing you keep forgetting is that Car Play and Android Auto are both standard even in the most base model Malibu which means you effectively can have NAV without having to move up to much more expensive trims. That's a $700 to $2000 "give" from Chevy right there across the lineup. I've used Car Play, and it is superior to a built in NAV in just about every way possible. The maps are always up to date, it uses Siri's voice recognition engine, it gets traffic updates faster, it responds faster... there isn't a built in NAV system out there that can beat it. I assume that once I try Android Auto, which is compatible with Waze, that my feelings on that will be the same. So, yeah, I'd have no problem taking a Malibu 2.0T for $28k when the $28k options at nearly every other manufacturer come with less powerful engines and no NAV systems. Then Chevy should add another 20-30 hp to the base engine or get its accel times up to match others in the class. It doesn't have an mpg advantage, its just in the thick of the pack in that regard.

lawyers and law and lawsuits probably created the need for GM to send paper recalls. even though lots of stuff can be controlled via software on cars, those who think they can just call tech support for everything and have it fixed...there will still be tons of things to break and malfunction that no software patch can fix. People can't be lazy, they have to bring in their car.

Bet they had to ride it hard to hit a mid eight 0-60, Plus some of the competition is a full sec faster to the same mark...... 8 speed in the 2.0 accounts for some manuf cost difference but it's still a bunch more even setting that aside. By early fall there should be a lot of leftover 2.0's on lots with healthy rebates.

coincidence, i just read the Motor Trend and C/D tests. I agree, the 2.0 would be great in the car. I think for everyday folks, something like a 1.75 litre turbo, and about 215hp/240tq making 28 mpg combined would be a nice blend. GM though, they really bend you over if you want the desirable stuff. The 1.5 and 2.0 all have 4 pistons, 16 valves, a turbo, 4 cylinders, but look at the price difference. The EPA forces the mpg issue and forces the whole why we even have a 1.5 to begin with. It's like I said, it really walks the line quite well between just enough power and 'i need more'. Same thing with the current gen Cruze. These little tiny turbos are not relaxed.

wouldn't surprise me, this doesn't look like a .23 shape

http://blog.caranddriver.com/tesla-model-s-catches-fire-at-supercharger-station-in-norway/ crispy fried tesla (no cause given)