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  1. My condolences Olds, I lost my father a few months ago, and it really is tough to imagine the gravity of the loss of close family until it happens. I hope your family has the chance to join in mourning, celebration, and support. I had caught word of gmpartsgirl's passing and it saddened me deeply. I traded a few messages with her from time to time and she helped me with some great advice that helped me deal with a couple of difficult personal situations. It was clear to me she was one of those strong people with a soft heart, and deeply held values, and for those in her life she loved, she loved them deeply. I remember her love of wheels too, new and old, and that was pretty cool too. Rest in peace, and prayers for her family that will miss her so much
  2. THAT is a somewhat fair statement. I turned away from getting a Traverse and got the van, partly due to that. The Chrysler van does bang up mpg. I had heard with traverses you get standard issue 15-17 in town, maybe 20 or so highway, although in rebuttal to that there, our Taurus X averaged 18-20 overall. And I am incredibly skeptical that the real world mpg of the new one will be that much better.
  3. "The real reality will smack home soon as all MFG will have to down size in all models to meet regulations" See, that's weak, this why the auto industry sucks. Because the regulations should not be that oppressive. So GM has to succumb to smaller and more expensive. 79 cu ft of cargo vs 11x whatever, and the 2016 FWD v6 ratings are 17/24. GM announced 17/25 for the 2017 with v6 and fwd. a lot of work for one highway mpg (apples to apples). Looks fairly unimpressive by that count. But it does beat its size mate, the suzuki XL7 so i guess that is progress. ​Of course GM has to succumb to the oppressive govt and that forces people into less and less, not by choice. The price goes up because of all the extra work to squeeze out that half an mpg.
  4. Well, the Riviera should have maintained its larger size. I was like 18 when those downsized versions came out. I lived in diehard GM country. I remember all the backlash like yesterday. People avoided the downsized cars like the plague. It's that kind of thinking GM from time to time gets into, trying to outsmart itself. I was all jazzed up on the new Camaro until i touched one in the flesh recently. You thought the old one was a bunker and small / cramped? You can't even slip a piece of paper between the back of the front seat and the cushion for the rear seat. How are you supposed to put something with legs back there? The side windows almost literally ARE mailslots.....how the hell are you going to see out of this car? But, the Camaro had to get smaller, ya know. It's amazing, GM does sometimes put out well packaged vehicles that use their space well and provide room. The new Malibu is one of those cars. And then we have cars like the new Camaro, or the ATS, etc......when they try to downsize it and they go too far. GM really screws the pooch a lot. The thing is here, the Acadia and GMC have loyal followers, and to the nameplate and brand, and to the vehicle the size it is now. At a minimum, keep the current Acadia in production ala Cruze Limited or Malibu Limited. At LEAST give those with leases ending a chance to stay in the size they want and in the brand they want. GMC drivers don't want to slum with Chevy's. Buicks are different than GMC's. They should have produced a 2017 Acadia Limited XL for those who want to have a large GMC. And it would be another thing if this new Acadia was a looker, but its not. The Terrain is better looking with its boxy, edgy lines, and the Grand Cherokee is way better looking. The old trailblazer /envoy /ext's were always sorta dumpy looking. This new Acadia has some of that tall narrow upright dumpiness. Grand Cherokee is a sexy vehicle.
  5. There is a limit to how flashy you can go. Buick is above all, still known for being very comfortable. I don't want Buick to chase after any brand. So many companies think they can be better if they emulate other company's success. Of course if this was the 60s, then I'd reverse my words and say hell yes make a RWD barge like they used to. Blindly chasing sales and segments is not good. However, there is a time and place for halo vehicles. If say, Cadillac was the level of Bentley in prestige, and Buick was the level of Cadillac as it is today... would you not expect to just see the Cadillac of today reskinned as Buicks. Then the Avista would be almost what we consider the El Miraj concept, expect the El Miraj would be in production, and an Alpha coupe like the Camaro would be nowhere near as prestigious, and therefore would never overlap the Omega coupe. Some kinds of overlap are perfectly reasonable. Buick based off platforms shared by Chevy is perfectly acceptable, because by large, the new Chevy cars drive pretty awesome as it is. What they needs is the meat. And that's what they're doing. They should only get the Avista if they know for sure that the product delivers different things from any comparable Cadillac. Which is hard for me to believe. I didn't say anything about reskinning a Cadillac or using the Avista. I'm opposed to the Avista. I wondered if they would turn the Regal GS into a real AWD sport sedan like Volvo or Audi offers. We already know the car is on the E2XX platform, which means FWD/AWD. I'm just saying Buick could break their self-imposed glass ceiling and create a better vehicle with the equipment at their disposal. Torque vectoring AWD, active suspension, and a 300+ horsepower engine would be quite potent. I'd like to see turbo V6s back in the Buick brand. The refreshed 2014-2016 Regal GS is about 50 horsepower short of something far more special, why did they sit on their hands to the point that Ford took the obvious formula Buick was already staring at and will soon build a 325 horsepower AWD Fusion in the same price range? the current Regal AWD actually fared pretty well for itself vs. the Germans etc. in a not too far back comparo test on Motor Trend.com, i think they gave it high marks. It was only like 10 years ago, a 260hp motor was the bomb, now we expect 300, 325, 350......... if you google '2017 opel insignia' and then tab to images, you see some of the common renderings out there. I'm disappointed the new Regal is being delayed so much. The Malibu is out already, get this thing in the hopper NOW too. did you mistake it for a 2007 Hyundai?lol
  6. the whole shape is probably very close to the new Malibu.
  7. It doesn't matter, the car serves a place in the Buick lineup. They are going to make this car for Europe anyways, so its ready made to add to the lineup here. Especially since the new LaCrosse is no longer sexy looking.....its back to staid cars for the biggest Buick, and in this case it has plenty of Chinese + old Hyundai charisma. Not that that is bad, the new LaCrosse will still sell. Buick is littering their lineup to be a collection of inconsistent looking product from the world bag. Again, not really too bad a thing. Just keep the quality up, keep them comfortable and keep the retail experience upper class. One big reason Buick and GMC exist is so people who like GM are not forced to slum in the Chevy show room. But SOMETHING in the Buick lineup has to be a little lively, while still being comfortable, and so even if this only sold 30,000 a year its the defacto Buick performance sedan. A sprinkle of Euro in the Buick showroom to offset all those China vibes alone is well worth it. No way the car is anything besides a fancier version of the new Malibu. And that may be a good thing. Those clamoring for the Avista. Give it up. With the new LaCrosse, Regal, and Verano in the showrooms, and with the need for more crossovers, the brand can't support a 4 door coupe like the Avista. Especially if its on the small Camaro chassis. No way you can make a case for that niche car when the Regal fills the niche in the US and makes its sales volume in Europe. And then Buick's own crossovers will kill it too. I do prefer the shape of the lift back here, too bad it won't get here. Maybe the wagon will. I know its heavily disguised but between this and the projected renderings out there, I don't expect it to be too flashy. But maybe tasteful enough and with a nice enough interior to stand apart from the other Buicks and the Malibu, it will make that 30,000 unit mark if they keep the price in check. This the car they should put a 2.0 diesel in.
  8. its been stated over and over, the 700 pounds is an entirely bogus comparison, as the new base engine is a gutless four banger. And overall the mpg increases are a joke considering the 'weight loss' and the big downsizing. We won't know the true weight loss until they get 2 equally optioned v6 models on the scale (old and new) to have a true apples to apples comparison. the new narrow interior will only swallow 6 people. Many people may order the current model with second row captains chairs already. But some, like a commenter on the acadia forums said they like their acadia due to the fact they can get 3 car seats in the second row. Now they can't. Having three to sit comfortably in the second row means 5 passengers and being able to fold the third row to bust open cargo capability, and still have the third row available at other times. The lambdas have been praised for having third row room for large adults, or for 3 people, which pretty much no other crossovers can do. (which is why their sales are exceptional) GM sold millions of FULL SIZE 'minivan looking' lambdas, especially during a disastrous recession (Acadia owners love the look of their vehicles) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Lambda_platform#Sales The reason the Explorer became relevant again was the fact it became a crossover and it got significantly larger. The Explorer was a dead freaking duck until they redefined what an Explorer was and responded to the size of the Lambdas, as the Lambdas set the market on fire. The first two rows of the Explorer are quite nice in girth but the second row leg room is compromised and the third row overall is not as good as the lambdas. The Explorer is actually a bit of a tweener in that regard, they did about all they could do to upsize a vehicle on the platform that was available to them. Many of the Exploder customers are people who used to have Expeditions back in the day, and still want a large vehicle, but the price and gas mileage, and low production of the Expedition means those customers get the next largest Ford option. The facts remain that GMC is vacating their place in a huge market segment, a profitable one, and really should of had a better plan in place to realign their products. History will show it will have been better for them to have either named this new thing the Terrain, or Envoy. They might receive similar backlash when downsizing the Terrain, I know a few Terrain owners and they love their Terrains. You can always upsize a name plate because you give the customer more. You can't downsize a nameplate so drastically because the customer has a deeply engrained notion of what the size and comfort level of the nameplate is. If you take away any of that, you've now given the customer less. As far as the looks, the new one looks ok, but its not amazing, especially considering its just a watered over look of the GM SUV's from 10-12 years ago. Who knew the beloved Isuzu ass ender was such a predictor of the style of the future Honda, until they found their new 2016 Civic engines are self destructing, will have otherwise found out the magic in upsizing, not downsizing...they found it out before with the Accord.
  9. this would have made more sense on the 4.3 liter v6
  10. Beat me to it!!! Does the tow truck driver bring out a latte too? http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4008646/thumbs/o-TESLA-KIDS-CAR-570.jpg?16 Is this the loaner car you get?
  11. Test drives should be mandatory. People think they know what they want, then they drive it and the bitching starts. Better they find out they dislike it before they buy. Most still want to test drive. To not have something to drive kills a sale. All dealers of any brand should have a continuous fleet of demo cars. Not in every config of course. But caddy should always have an ATS 2.0t AWD to test. Chevy should always have a LT of every sedan purely for testing. For the volume stuff basically. Of course volume and Cadillac are conflicting terms.
  12. beginning to think the gen 2 Cruze diesel will be stillborn, after seeing those diesel sales numbers.
  13. ok, i see proof now that tesla is responding to its most favorable market. http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/16/autos/tesla-model-s-for-kids-elon-musk/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool&iid=obnetwork seems like an accessible pricing strategy to me.
  14. its not right to mandate something else as a penalty for breaking a different law, the govt can't dictate to ONE automaker the propulsion system as a punishment. Although if that is VW's cheapest BROKERED solution, then we really have crossed a scary line.
  15. Note even an issue here as the CUV class is not the same thing as what happened in the 80's. Also the new regulations will drive all MFG to down size at some point. I think what is missed here is that there will be a larger model between this one and the Yukon that is coming to fill the gap based on the Canyon. As for size that matters little as it is all about packaging and useful space. GM has had an issue with that like in my Terrain where it has lots of wasted space but being built on an old platform I understand why. Today they have new models that may be smaller in foot print but much larger in usable room. As for the third row I am sure there are some that need it but for the most look around and generally I see them empty or with a kid that just wanted more space between the parents leaving the second row empty. I know in our case as with most others the space would get used only a few times over the life of the vehicle in the family. The increased sales of smaller SUV and CUV models are not flukes as this is where people want to be. They want cheaper to buy and operate as well as easier to drive but retain most of the utility. They will do fine here and just keep in mind we have yet to know or see all their moves. GM is far from done with the SUV market moves. it totally is the same thing. Take a nameplate, downsize the heck out of it, people get pissed. It's the exact same thing. I can't wait for the auto show here in a few weeks. I'm going to hang by the GMC area and listen to the Muhricans ask the GMC folks 'why in the hell would you downsize it, it's exactly as we like it'
  16. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/06/curbside-classic-gms-deadly-sin-1-1986-buick-riviera/
  17. when we got our Town and Country, the Acadia / Traverse was the next leading option. Wife wanted an Acadia due to size. She was cool towards the Explorer due its interior limitations. People don't want Suburbans and Tahoes, and Yukons, that is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BUYING CROWD. Plus the full framers are all priced out of budgets of mostly everyone these days. Lambdas are parkable and ride like a car. GMC buyers don't want Chevy's. GMC is there (and profitable) because people don't want to be seen with a lowly Chevy badge. (Chevy=Kia to a lot of folks on the status meter) GMC buyers like GMC's and don't want Buicks. (GMC is butch, Buick is femme) Go to other forum boards, you see the opinion is mostly the same. WTF was GMC thinking. Especially now that people are turning in Acadia leases, i was reading the other day, one guy did an early pull in by several months just so he could get it in before the downsize. It is fairly epxressed that at least GMC should continue to make the current Acadia ala 'Malibu Limited' until the SUPPOSED Acadia XL comes on board, it would give some way for GMC to retain its current customers. GMC product planners should be fired for that. Lambdas truly are perfect size vehicles. Like the old full size Impala/Caprice/Bonnevilles/Eighty Eights/LeSabres of before, there is a significant enough meat of the market to offer them in each brand. The new Acadia is like if you took the Colorado and Canyon and named them Sierra and Silverado. You can almost always move a vehicle up in size. The swords come out when you downsize them. If the SUPPOSED Acadia XL does not have the same interior dimensions and capacities of the current one, then GMC really will have screwed the pooch. Real truth is GMC downsized the Acadia to put a four cylinder in it, give you less, and charge you more. They squeezed a whole 1 mpg more out of it when they gutted their product. FAIL. thanks for your beautiful profanity. If you want, you can send me 19,000 bucks and I will use it when i upgrade to a Suburban.
  18. congrats, nice new ride! low miles, too. always liked the Liberty.
  19. maybe in luxury circles but around these parts the ladies get worked up over Acadias. No one really wants the size and bulk and truckiness of the suburban. Still remember my wife telling me about when her boss got her new Acadia and couldn't stop gushing. She took the crew out to lunch and everyone was oohing and awing over all the room, even in the back. Of course now, they won't even fit in it. And absolutely not the only time i have talked to an Acadia owner and they haven't loved the snot out of it. A comment is always, it has such good room. Vans, lambdas, explorers, are the family haulers you see most around here. The company i work for now has like 8 traverses for the construction staff to make field visits. They used to have pickups and suburbans.
  20. ^^^^^^^^^ winner winner^^^^^^^ yup, that's GM, make it smaller and charge more.
  21. Acadia Envoy not too late to change the badges
  22. Yeah, there's never been data tampering
  23. Sorry but the Acadia is not an icon like the Escalade. It would be a huge stretch to call it that. you're not a suburban milf housewife. You don't know that. ^^^^^^^^^ props
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