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millen should have been gone. mooch should stay. show harrington the door too.

to me the VW and Saab turbos or subie turbo and the GM ecotec supercharged are a better solution if you are trying to pump hp out of only 2.0 litres. or, increase the displacement to 2.4 or 2.5 litres and get some grunt. i mean, if i bought a civic and was only getting 19.7 mpg with it (Road and Track) i wouldn't be calling it any kind of economy car. in fact, not even cracking 20 mpg is quite piss poor for a car that's under 3000 pounds with a stick. even the ecoweenies would agree on that point. but who knows, maybe that's all the cobalt gets too. thing is, the cobalt cracks 6 seconds from zero and its 5-60 time is not too much higher than that. the civic did 6.8 for R/T and honda's own clock says 7.3. my guess is the 5-60 time C/D will achieve is around 7.8 seconds. that's not very quick. and there's no fuel efficiency or space benefit. and, its not exactly a classy looking car. i.e. it only has appeal to gen Yers and punks without licenses. the dashboard itself is atrocious. that don't spell COTY to me. more like FLAVOR OF THE MONTH.

"Hybrids don't only appeal to greenies, they appeal to a lot of normal consumers who don't want to go to the gas station as much, and maybe save a few dimes in the process." save a few dimes on GAS. but spend another 150 bucks a month more on car payments? that makes wonderful sense. "Of course let's not argue about the economical aspecs of a hybrid, since that's already been covered a million times" you can't brush that aside, that's the CORE OF THE ARGUMENT. the current cost/benefit of a hybrid is NEGATIVE. "And 197hp at the brake hub, out of a 2.0L n/a engine." without any torque, don't forget to mention that.

need....sleep.....

:blink: i hate the 3 downs thing too. but i am curious why its still yards and not metric.

a coworker has one,she likes it except they had to replace the CVT.

[SIZE=1][SIZE=1][SIZE=1] 140 lb ft is not enough torque to win COTY is my point is there a posted LIMIT on posting? i only posted in series as opposed to one post because i was responding to prior posts and its a pain int he ass to consolidate responses to individual posts.

that's NECK SNAPPING TORQUE!!!!!!!!!!!

repeat 140 lb. ft.!!!!!!

civic is not a stand out.......i doubt it beats a mazda3 in terms of desirability.

now i get it.....it won because it satsifues the ricers (si) and the greenies (hybrid). i guess the only thing you need to do now to win COTY is to have vtec and also offer a hybrid.

HEY, THE CIVIC si HAS LIKE 140 LBFT OF TIRE SHREDDING TORQUE (at like 9000rpm, btw) OF COURSE ITS GOING TO WIN COTY OVER A 500HP Z06........that can do 200 mph

but i did almost buy a quest because its a fabulous drive for a minivan...until i got spooked by the freak dash, stupid dvd location, lack of interior function with regards to user controls and cupholders and such, and lastly a recall that meant none of the vans could be dleivered to customers without a minimum month delay. way to do business! between that and all the well publicized quality issues it made me say no to nissan .....for now. i do think their products being rushed to market has made them junky. my buddie's 03 altima, he loved to drive it, but he got sick of a zillion problems with it.

i was not impressed with my titan test drives cheap interior cheap feel drivetrain slop the ford f-150 felt luxurious in comparison.

i agree. honestly, this is likely my perfect car. i mean, THE TOP of my list. I'm not crazy on the interior in spots, but cargo room, handling, AWD, stick.....i'll assume the six is fast enough and call it my perfect car.

too strict, they keep many vehicles from being offered in this country. thanks for nuthin, california.

all she said was 'oh, that's a nice car'. lol.

I like the Cobalt SS a LOT. i drove an Ion redline and had BUCKETS OF FUN doing so. The Cobalt is much nicer than the Ion. If I were single without kid and living on a tight budget I'd likely have one in the driveway.

chery must have had to add 200pounds more steel to each of its cars so it could get one star in crash test ratings.

"If people are strongly divided on a vehicle's design, then you have a great design" not really always true.

regracer is fine by me......... i had a thought this weekend that it would have been nice to find that lightly used 03 aurora v8 for a price i could afford......... in that picture the car looks a bit rakish actually. in person its as dull as they say....but get this...the middle aged milf moms at the daycare who've seen it LOVE the car. weird...but milfs seem to dig this car.......

asians are allowed to sell bland looking vehicles. the public and press still will not allow it to be ok for domestics to do so. the 500 is developing a cult following but has not hit mass market appeal yet. i do believe the lack of hp and bland styling are to blame. the old folks drawn to this car will not buy it after driving it because it has steering and handling more like a euro car instead of a domestic. they will not like the firm seats, instead they would prefer barcalounger seats. finally, the engine revs well and has a throaty sound, but lacks torque and the lazy feel that the geezers love. whatever marketing points they score with the oldsters on the high seating postion, space, value and conservative style, they lose on everything else. geezers don't like the big console and floor shifter either. however, the 500 is meant to be a boomer car, and aging boomers won't excuse the lack of tire shredding power and the anonymous styling. its reprehensible that Ford did not nail it 100% from the start with this car, however, it doesn't mean the car is total crap. its a pretty good car overall, in spite of its weaknesses. I'd bet the Impala will score higher in comparo tests. For me, the Impala I would have been able to live with (SS) would have cost me much more to get into and does not have an adequate back seat. Ford will fix the problems, hopefully in 12-18 calendar months. We'll see. I will say this, the car is SOLID. Damn thing is WELL BUILT. Its like a brick crap house. The strut tower brace alone looks like an insane street fighting tool. BTWthe 06 impala is selling like gangbusters here......

yup, that's it...lack of hp and all. by the time i'm sick of this one the SVT 500 with the AWD and 320 hp v8 yamaha motor should be out...

its confusing that they rip on 500's etc. when the camry and accord are atrocious dogs,visually.

give it time, you'll be OUTSOURCED.