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yes the 500 is a much better car than folks are giving it credot for. the first time my wife drove it she said, "holy crap this thing steers tight"

am i the only one with a HUGE sense of deja vu here? didn't we go through all this stuff like a year ago? I am weary, and tired.

better off making and pushing more tahoes and lambdas.

OH DEAR! something is indeed growing. SHE's INSANE. don't fret, if the show gets cancelled she'll be on a new sitcom or show in less than 6 months. That Jennifer Finnigan chick was on some show on NBC last spring and it got cancelled and now she's on a new show on CBS in like the span of MONTHS. And she's a schwing. The Julie Bowen hot thing that was on Ed is now on Boston legal. SCHA-WING.

urban sprawl is a myth

good deal

yeah, but how could one resist so MUCH COMPLEXITY and SO MANY MENUS?

carslut! carslut! excellent.

that's an 06 camry, buddy. watch those MSRP's go through the roof on the 07's.

this kia makes the new 07 camry look positively stylish!

Ford GT Ford Mustang Ford Crown Vic they do have SOME RWD.... was that a camaro i saw? no, it was just a picture of DAYS GONE BY

:P

i'm beginning to think MT picked the civic mainly because it offers a hybrid. in twenty years time, they want to be able to say, 'we recognized the significnace of hybrid techonology in the auto industry before everyone else' but they had to use the test numbers for the Si to justify the selection. just got C/D. the civic didn't even crack the 10best and the civic hybrid review certainly was not stellar. not bad, but in no way gushing. and by that, i mean things besides the hybrid aspect. the civic is flawed in many areas that it doesn't justify its spot. here's one -dramatic windshield rake yields no interior benefit. pulling the base of the WS forward is only a visual feature, it does not create a larger cab. in fact, isn't the wheelbase bigger but the back seat is SMALLER? 24 grand for a hybrid civic? buy a base malibu for 16 grand, get 32-35 mpg, have more room, and save the 8 grand.

be careful when you use the term 'out' around C&G....LOL :CG_all: :) :P

the ES is a stretched last version camry which is why i postulated the question. so likely i'm right, it is a RESKIN, although its a reskin of the ES which is a stretch/reskin of the camry. its a kevin bacon sort of thing. actually, i bet if you trace all the connections, you can tie Kevin Bacon and the Camry together SOMEHOW let's see, toyota makes both the camry and the prius, cameron Diaz drives a prius, she was in a movie with Jim Carrey (mask), who was in a movie with Jennifer Aniston (bruce almighty) who was in PICTURE PERFECT with KEVIN BACON!!!!!!!!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!

they better have some serious leg room with a 170 inch wheelbase. :blink: :P

mine's an 06 so i don't think the straps are bad. by the way, that was a supplier who deceitfully built the part to a spec less than that which they designed it for. nice try satty.

yeah, but its a hellova lot more comfy than all the old low rider cars i used to have. i can put up with some frumpy looks if it means i don't feel like i'm sitting in a bathtub. you see, when i am driving i cannot see the tall car proportions and i honestly don't care if other drivers think it looks weird. besides, many toyotas seem to be getting this same tall car look now and if toyota does it....... comfort over looks. i'll take that tradeoff.

just go get a bmw with idrive

i have like 3 steve martin albums. dang, i gotta go check my collection!

[SIZE=1][SIZE=1][SIZE=1] only she would know that i suppose

since i own a 500 i can chime in here. the 500's tranny does soemties seem to shift a bit much, but its been way overrated in road tests. the time that it hunts the most is in town at mid range speeds when you are on and off the gas a lot. on steeper hills it shifts a lot too, until you keep your gas steady and it finds the right gear then it holds like a bulldog. the tranny actually holds and keeps gears better than my old 99 SHO, however. my SHO used to short shift a lot. the 500 does stay pretty decisive about what gear its in as long you are not fking with the gas pedal. if you punch the pedal hard, it picks a gear and sticks with it and doesn't shift that much once at cruising speed. on the interstate at high speeds, it stays firmly planted in 6th or whatever and loafs along merrily at 1700-2200 rpm, depending on how fast you are going. 78 mph is like 2200 rpm i think, and it will accelerate easily up from that or kick down quite fast and find a great passing gear with some good snap. the first trip i took with the car over t'giving my last leg i got 26 mpg and that was with plenty of stopped in the ice storm interstate traffic. once it breaks in, i should see close to 30 on a good trip. Sometimes I wish it would shift quicker, but I am made aware that there is a TSB out now on getting a tranny flash to improve the shifting...i might get that done. Shifts themselves are not 100% smooth, but still way better than almost any older Ford and not jerky or anything like that. The big culprit is the lack of low end torque and power in the engine, and the powertrain buzziness at low speeds and taking off from a start. If the engine had more gusto, then no one would need to make any comments about the tranny. The tranny is simply doing its job with an underspecced engine. Its almost never that it picks a wrong gear, actually and it must be adaptive because since about 1500 miles, its been holding gears longer, too. And even though it feels slow off the line, overall the car feels quick. above 30 mph the wholecar comes alive and has good kick down and that's when having the 6 speed really makes it shine. Any car that cracks 8 seconds is doing good. the thing revs great and never feels winded like the 3400 in my aztek does. i mean, there's NO comparison. the 3400 is more sedate in town and feels better from a stop but is quite breathless and busy on the highway in upper speeds. The Duratec 35 or Yamaha v8 will solve those issues when they and the new 6 speed hit market in 12 to 18 months. the 3.0 duratec will be fine as a base model engine. bottom line, the 6 speed is very useful, enhances the function of the car, and the overdrive gears help it get great mpg. Anything beyond 6 speeds wuld be useless IMHO, but Ford and GM will benefit greatly from their jointly developed 6 speed. i bet the 6 speed teamed with the 3.6vvt will be a great combo in the Aura and other GM cars if the tight ass beanounters let them put it in. The Impala SS alone would benefit tremendously. i didn't much care for the 4 speed in the SS when i drove it. the 6 speed teamed to that small block or even the north star will be a great combo.

rear your new car and driver. the car out of all the cars that they tested in 2005 the one that got the best mpg on their testing was a CHEVY COBALT 27mpg. a) that only confirms what i suspected, which is that the ecotec coblt gets damn good real user mpg B) and, if 27mpg is the best they can get, they must drive their cars HARD.

nah, toyota just buys consumer reports' subscription list and also gets all the names of all the urban / public radio / liberals.