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the mazda6 and altima fours are buzzy, i've driven those too. the camry is a decent four cylinder, but a v6 in that car is still a better solution.

I owned a Prism (Corolla) with the 1.8 and yes, it was sort of peppy to 50 mph if you shifted right, and as long as you had momentum. its lack of power in many situations actually made it unsafe. Hard braking at 70+ followed by a need to accelerate rapidly to avoid traffic, and the thing simply fell on its face...even downshifting to third or second. No torque to get the car moving again. The ecotec from GM is a far superior engine because it has torque. And I mean the base 2.2. the Ion redline i drove went like stink and had awesome power up high and down low. Also I've driven a Vibe GT and it was a pain in the ass. Had to get it up to 5000 rpm or more just to get it to move. Then it was really noisy. Loud and grating. Not very fun or powerful. Even driving great 4 cylinders like the 9-3 saab, you get into a 6 cylinder car immediately after that and you wonder why you even considered the four. 6 cylinder is the way to go if you can swing it.

wisconsin is MUCH higer than that number. everytime i cross the border into WI it confirms the whole beer and cheese thing

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

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proof that marketing and big corporations are overly invasive in our lives and some of them need to be brought down

OH NO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE CIVIC

geesus, wasn't it me last week who said the next BU was shaping up to be a rebadge of the Aura? and now it sounds EVen more like that might be the case. same plant even.

we already despise America. so just bite the hand that feeds just a little harder...... you know what? i live in the best country in the world. The US doesn't alway tackle challenges head on,but we still have the mostdesire as a society to advance the world than ANYONE else. We have the best entertainers, uncountable numbers of excellent businesses, lavish housing, big ass malls, plasma tvs for sale, dora the explorer, and girls gone wild! we have TACO BELL. We have young attractive foreign brides across the globe who would rather get with some old ugly cranky middle aged American dude than stay in their own countries. We got department stores and toilet paper Got styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer Got a man of the people, says keep hope alive Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive. ----Keep on rockin' in the free world (neil young) Japan inc.and Germany built some damn nicecars. But American cars are pretty nice, too. Some of the cars offered for sale by AMURCHAN companies outright KICKSERIOUS FRICKIN ass. Corvette, CTSv, GXP GP, Ford GT, Fusion, Mustang GT, sure...a lot of these very cars have flaws...but dammit, go buy one and you'll enjoy the hell out of it. Most bitchers don't get that the good American products they love to trash are likely still 5 times better than the 10 year old pile of crap sitting in their garage, or the 5 year old corolla with too many door dings to mention because the sheet metal is so thin. what cracks me up is how people think their choice of car validates your worth in society. MY GOD, drive what you want and what suits you. You despeise your country so much you won't even TEST DRIVE an American name car? People in this country have got to start feeling a little better about this country. its not that bad a place to be.

i'm not sure why honda and toyota continually get excused for their torqueless 4 cylinder carsthat have no displacement. they can get respectable ZERO-sixty times with them, but go back and check the 5-60 times after that. yeah, on the interstate i'd lovethe high rpm performance, but they gotta start upping the displacement and bring up the usable torque on them too.

considering the new and improved civic has like ONE WHOLE EXTRA cubic feet of interior space over its cramped predecessor, i'll save myself the time. there are much more useful cars out there for me for the same money with more space and good real world mpg that don't need to be so highly strung just to get them to go anywhere. and i doubt i would want to be seen in traffic driving one..... "hey, look at that punk youngster driving in the civic!!!"

sorry, too much shifting required. and 8000 rpms all the time would get tiring when all you want to do is listen to some tunes

toyota and honda are always stingy with displacement.

saab biopowersounds nice!

so buickman you are?...... -against spending money on new product vs. spending it on more marketing -for unions -against the notion of the global economy -against the majority of GM upper mgmt. exactly how the hell do you plan to get anywhere with this plan? -its about product

yeah, we can sell the HELL out of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thir-ty eight hundred. i-RON block. nine-ty degrees. la-zy boy front seats.

HAIKU THEN? Oh, the Le Say-Berrrrrr won't 'the Rick' pro-mote it..... more? PEEEE. OHHHHH. S. that's why!

MY goD, MY PENIS JUST SHRUNK 5 INCHES THEN! i'M NOT A CAR GUY!!!!!!

I GET WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING BUT IT WOULDN'T HURT FOR THEM TO HAVE A REAL PEAK TORQUE OF ABOUT 170 OR MORE. 140 IS TO LOW TO BE USABLE ON PUBLIC ROADS IN URBAN SETTINGS.

i like the idea of reviving the chevette, but making it much larger than a cobalt. somewhere between a cobalt and maxx, with a nice four cylinder and also a frugal one. an attractive but simple interior and great mpg and low price. reasonably simple but good mechanicals and platform.

agreed. nice idea. the problem is we are stretched so thin we also need our car payments to cover a vehcile we can use to haul kids, junk, etc. and we can't keep the extra car for economy sake. also, US is very interested in crash testing performance and the smallest cars just don't inspire trust to the buying public as far as 'can i survive a crash' from a semi truck for example

that's it in a nutshell right there for a lot of it. i can't imagine stating this problem any better.

neither of the hondas deserves it but if the civic gets it, its only due to having a hybrid available. the truck choices are sad.

what is encouraging is how it proves GM can build high feature engines that are competitive, if the management and beancounters allow them to. between this engine and the shortstar, they both made the list and represent great steps forward in the v6 arena. I would wet my pants getting to drive a direct injection, double turbo version of the 3.6hf. i bet it could peg 400hp.