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i do also agree with the above theory of, why should we grow corn for fuel when corn should be grown as food. i have big issues with our subisdized farm policy, although i guess i am not sure how it would work otherwise. the area where i was from, 80% of the neighboring population was sucking off the farm subsidy t---t and the thing is, they never felt it was enough, that it should be more more more and never one ounce of recognition of anything other than 'entitlement'. As an industry, farming needs to shed some of the attitude. Not many businesses could operate however the heck they want and ignore learning to how to professionally manage a business. They can, because they always know there will be a subsidy, 'safety net' to fall back on. And if the net is not big enough, just threaten to vote your seantors out of office and the problem will get solved. watch those dollars flow in. off my pulpit now. i just think ethanol is fine as one alternative fuel but it should never become more than a niche fuel. If it were to become a staple of where we get our fuel from it will create more problems in the future then we have now buying crude from over the globe.

my sister's elantra gets ok mileage but not as good as she thought it would. i think she said 27 or something like that.

YUCK! UGLY CAR ALERT! this sebring will sell worse than the current one that aura keeps lookin better

well yeah, there's that too. I sure hope all the e85 cars and such are built for this.

yeah but then they would be using even more, wouldn't they, because you need more ethanol than gas to get the same work. it would go from 129% to like 155% consumed vs. produced or something.........

side note, richie sambora and heather locklear are splitting too

Lance Armstrong and Sheryl Crow separate article on aol say it ain't so buddy! this mean you have to change your handle?

test "The Sonata continued to post unimpressive fuel economy. Though it's pretty rare for an Edmunds vehicle to get better-than-expected fuel economy, we had thought that the long-distance drives would bring up the car's overall average. The Sonata did post a new high of 23.5 mpg, but this is still quite a bit lower than what our long-term 2004 Chevrolet Malibu was capable of — a high of 30.8 mpg." average was about 21.8 or something, which is good, but i thought it was interesting they compared it to the Mally. To me, a mid size with a gutsy v6, getting 20-22 is about right.

yeah, that's cool, as long as you know farming corn requires 29% more FOSSIL fuel energy than the ethanol fuel that's produced. study I'm fine with ethanol, just remember, you burn more of it compared to gas. Isn't Iowa the first primary of the election year? I can't remember. honestly, ethanol is a nice option as a part of many fuel options. Just don't get your hopes up for it being a savior is all I'm saying, and realize its more expensive to you as a taxpayer than it seems on the surface. For as much as its existed as a legitimate alternate fuels source (justifiably so), it also exists as much as a pork barrel item as well. as an aside, if you're ever interested in learning more about farm subsidies (not related to this topic) go to http://www.ewg.org/farm/

as long as you know and remember, farm subsides often go to congolms like ADM, not the 'struggling' (cough) farmer. from townhall.com "When you add up all the targeted government subsidies for ethanol, including federal price supports, a generous federal excise tax exemption worth more than 5 cents a gallon at the pump, various tax credits, and subsidized grain exports, the taxpayer tab amounts to more than $7 billion over the last 16 years. (And ethanol still costs more than regular gasoline.) These government giveaways are on top of the abominable $200 billion farm bill signed into law by President Bush, which will pay farmers some $4 billion a year to grow more corn for subsidized ethanol production. It's not the small family farmers that reap the rewards. It's the suits at ADM, whose every $1 of profits earned by ethanol operation is estimated to cost taxpayers $30. This corporate bilking of the public, and the Beltway collusion that enables it, ought to be criminal." so even those your not giving your oil money to Prince Radjid or whatever, your more than likely paying twice as much in the end for your gas. this is a good read too John McCain hey, I think Ethanol as another fuel choice is a great idea. Just so everyone knows, right now, you're paying through THE ASS for it. i likely could find 25,000 articles on this, but y'all have google and curiosity. and I'm from MN, i should be pushing this stuff. Maybe, but they're already getting of my tax dollars for it.

"The Si does wonders on the track" that's exactly my point. what good is it to regular commuters then?

its fine for a slow camry to weight that much. yep, it gets much better mpg...but much less than advertised. it will cost much more, but we inflate the gas price to 3 bucks to justify how much dollar we can save over time and how much quicker it is 'paid off'. that's lubricious. i know, it will like hotcakes and that's ok. As long as they tell folks the real mpg will be 20-40% less. at least be truthful. yep, GM is caught with their pants down. justifiably so or not, this is another dagger into ford and gm from the toyota machine.

no kidding on the center gauges bit

the stratus and sebring coupes are stretched previous gen eclipses

lol.....

so, anyone want to go for tea then?

i just think that for compacts a bigger priority is passenger space and usefulness other than trying to maintain 'biblical' styling proportions. there's a middle ground where space usefulness and reasonable styling can coexist. This Sentra at least is a good effort to balance that. FWIW i think Ion is ok looking with big wheels and if it had smaller panel gaps and no SIDE SWOOSH

GTP G6 5.9 from MT 6.2 (i think) from Car and Driver for 0-60 and the 5-60 times weren't much more. its larger than the civic and much more useful and comfortable. i would even say the G6 GTP has the interior edge. If you found a base GTP G6 with plain sunroof and a stick, it'd be a far more desirable car than the tin can SI.

no no! its a SAAB, BORN FROM JETS!

well, that's kind of what is happening, did you read James healy's Lucerne review? basically he's saying 'toyota is good, but not worthy of godly worship'

dude, its just the auto industry needing to/coming into line with every other industry in the country. in this case too its Carlos breaking out the hatchet and saying, 'here's your job, take it or leave it' i know of no one who gets 'pensions' and fully paid for health care. not that i condone cheap ass nissan for doing it, but i am just saying that for anyone to think that 100% health care, and a pension is typical employee benefits for most of AMURCHA is pretty out of touch. Really, the whole source of the massive anti union sentiment in America is because -the average middle class person does not get full health care or a pension and its hard for them to sympathize with anyone who thinks they are entitled to it, when they don't have it themselves -therefore, the average middle class person without this stuff feels they are subisdizing a substandard company and feeding an inefficent and uncompetitive machine and in return are not getting maximum customer value out of it because the company is giving it all away to the employees.

its decent looking, much better than the civic or elantra etc. and if the space numbers bode out, it will have mid sized room with a compact price and footprint. great space efficiency. Its only real exterior design error is not a long enough rear deck.

i went through the whole ordeal lately of trying to pick the right 'family sedan' had i got gm (didn't, got the 500), this is what i would recommend 9-3 linear, for 06 has more hp. upsides are many for alow price compared to the aero, but the downside is its only a 4 popper turbo and the back seat is small 2006 9-5....you might find a great deal! you can get a stick too! 260hp! impala SS, small back seat but good accel. wait, she hates impalas. GP GXP? (small back seat, low seats) G6 GTP? (narrow car, and too small a turnk) Lucerne is overpriced, but you might be able to find a dark skinned Lacrosse with floor shifter and tan leather 3.6 that would rock your world. CTS hunt around, you might even land a holdover 6 cylinder STS for cheap. sleeper pick, a one year old Bonneville GXP northstar. there's abuttload of low mileage ones out there! likewise, there are the occasional gem 2001-03 Aurora 4.0's out there. Still prbably GM's most well laid out interior ever. otherwise, wait for the AURA 3.6 and the Enclave/Outlook twins BY THE WAY, STEP IT UP BUDDY AND STOP LETTING YOUR WIFE MAKE THE CAR DECISIONS FOR YA. show them women who wears the pants, man. at least she's not making you get a camry or rav4.

after seeing the pics in the new C/D in print, ihave to say the SE in red is an improvement over the tan lump of turd i posted earlier. its still a mishmash of stuff -mazda6/millienia/acura front -CTS kind of c pillar -sonata tailights but i do admit the red SE presented itself better. the interior has small panel gaps but the center stack reminds me far too much of my diamantes except with cheesy green backlighting and silvery knobs

didnt read that one yet, woulda thought the srt 8 would have creamed the TB