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M45 totally wanks all over the RL. the M45 is a car i would look at as a real car, not an Accord that just went to the all you can ingest buffet......

truly excellent post FOGM hey GORDON (Gordon Stewart)...stop your piss ass whining! YOUR GRAVY TRAIN DAYS ARE OVER.....get your sales up. Saturn has you on notice......LIVE WITH REALITY....people like the Saturn shopping experience. When was the last time anyone said they enjoyed shopping in YOUR dealership? Just because the corporate GM tit is gonna start playing hardball stop candy assing its dead weight anymore..........I bet your jealous and want one of those goldmines for yourself.....

my response 'things change'

the chosen and self important baby boomer generation single handedly ruined a lot of our economic and social structures so maybe this is adequate payback for as much as they've f'ed up our country

proof that you can't sell a 50,000 accord......

according to carsdirect, an 06 Maxx SS with rear dvd and also power sunroof is about 24 g right now. my gm card topped off to 2k would get that down to around 22k. not bad. swap the 4 speed auto for a manual or a better auto and swap the motor for the 3.6 or ecotec turbo and WOO HOO cheap saab with more room! WHY WASN'T THIS CAR OUT BEFORE NOW

bmw really ought to follow GM's lead and use cast iron blocks.

you're right, the buick has been status quo, the new lucerne has the same base engine as the 92 lesabre practically. same tranny too i suppose. if that ain't status quo i don't know what is. that would really bring those saturn and vw and honda and toyota fans in those 'buick' showrooms.

thanks! ........... thanks?

agree. it needs a stick and for me either the 3.6 of the upcoming ecotec DI turbo.

YES! the black interior with added glitz and the body work and tailpipe dress remind me of my favorite car I've owned..... 89 SHO GM WHERE WERE YOU FOUR MONTHS AGO....ARRRGGGHHHHHHHH

F*C.K CR they just continually pick away at stuff 'too many incentives' ok, we'll drop the sticker price 'its not the same deal was when you had incentives' ARRGGHHHHHHH

BINGO! and GM is so tired of propping up so many chevy dealers, whose sales per dealership no doubt are way behind toyota. when this revitalized Saturn takes off, the amount of cars they will be pumping out per dealer will be incredible. GM will love to prove to all the whiney and pissed off Chevy Buick and Pontiac dealers that its time to lean up and provide better customer service or risk being cut. And all you traditionalists whine about Saturn and say the cars should go to chevy but at the same time won't allow chevy to redefine itself to become a contemporary choice in today's society. You still would rather have them selling Camaros and Chevelles and pushrods and musclecars when what much of Saturns customer service base wants are cars to battle Toyotas, Hondas, and VW's. Chevy WILL NEVER be able to challenge those 'intellectual makes' because the die hards and the dealers continue to fall back on past notions of what Chevy is and should be. Add to the fact that Saturnizing a Chevy lineup would ruffle the conservative midwesterners. Saturn can grow GM much quicker and generate customer acceptance of GM much quicker right now operating with its leaner structure and less internal restrictions than trying to modernize Chevy, etc. Saturns strength IS the customer so that's a great foundation to build off of. It has a lean cost structure compared to the other div's in terms of how much profit they can actually generate per dealer. And, the most important, they have the best chance of satisfying customers and bringing new ones in more quickly. Instead of propping up too many dealers, the unions, and all that other jazz. GM made the decision that they Chevy and Saturn needed to be fundamentally different. They are moving that way. It had to be done. Saturn customers would never buy chevy's. Saturn customers will buy Opels. Once GM saw they couldn't resolve the two into one, they picked the wise direction. Chevy is now the worldwide GM equivalent of Kia, in a way.

"One of the things they can do to distinguish themselves from the rest of General Motors is to be kind of the Scion of General Motors," he said. "You concentrate on lifestyle rather than on demographics in the old sense. Previously, Saturn wasn't distinctive in any way other than the sales environment."

here GM should be fighting Toyota, not itself. "But nagging questions remain: Will sales rise enough to justify Saturn's fatter marketing budget at a time when Pontiac and Buick must trim their own ad campaigns? And is Chevrolet, GM's strongest and biggest mass-market brand, actually a better candidate to battle the imports? Chevy dealers say they could easily fit mid-priced vehicles like the Outlook and Aura into their lineups. They also note that GM is promoting Chevrolet as its mass-market global brand."

I saw both today and I gotta admit, what a transformation! Its not sexy, but the sport interior in black, with chrome bits, the new front end, the ground effects and spoilers and especially the exhaust tips REALLY LOOK NICE. too bad the wheels look horribly cheap. Why wasn't this car here two years ago? Or for me, 4 months ago? I might actually take one of these over a Fusion. Alas, still only pushrods under the hood and only a 4 speed auto. YEESH. With the 3.6vvt or the upcoming 260hp turbo ecotec this car would be so sahwet for me. Especially with a 5 or 6 speed manual or manumatic. AND BETTER WHEELS. One was blue and one was black i think and both had the black interior. Very nice. Its always so bad that it takes Chevy so long to make corrections like these. The seats even looked nice!

let's leave the camaros for that bunch then and let GM try to branch out and do something a little more worldly with its Pontiac versions then ,please. we don't need 'camaro, part 2' for a GTO or firebird. there's gonna be enough retro/butch/boy racer musclecars available between the cam, mustang and challenger. Pontiac doesn't need to clog that market with another version of the same f'in thing.

damn, i just read this topic header. i hadn't seen it before. wow, so how many hours you got?

the current GTO has one of the best GM interiors and is one of the only desirable GM interiors on the market. It has a 400hp engine and RWD for your 'great performance'. It has great handling skills and independent rear suspension. It has unique styling that looks classy in the company of many cars costing thousands more. It breaks your 6 second barrier and 14 second barrier. Basically you are saying you'd prefer a gold chain / trailer park cruiser version of a GTO. It looks like GM is gonna grant everyones wish and make the next Camaro the incarnate version of GM's TP cruiser. Let's leave Pontiac out of the redneck car wars and let it be a little more sophisticated. The last thing GM needs to do again is design all its cars to appeal to the gearhead and mullet set. GM will get no cred from anywhere these days unless they occasionally try to present an offering that is sophisticated and mainstream and refined.

we could REMOVE our politicians if we need to. either by voting in people with integrity, or by using FORCE. it might be time for fair minded people to step forward and offer to lead this country and fix its problems.

i've been thinking about it, and i can't either........at least not since they retired the century and regal and lesabre.....

in all seriousness, summer of either 88 or 89. women women women

bob 37 best time of my life was last weekend with landscapers girlfriend

we can silence ashlee simpson but she at least has a nice gun rack.

Healy is the best auto writer, so this harsh a review seems weird from him, although i cannot say that a lot of it isn't deserved.