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edmunds Fighting the Foreign Wars By editors at Edmunds.com Email Date posted: 02-27-2006 Chevrolet's mission is, as it has always been, to be GM's value leader in the mainstream of the American car market. So when foreign brands threatened to intrude, it was Chevrolet that was charged with going forth with products that would defeat the imports and defend GM's turf. When it comes to small cars, it has not been an easy or pretty fight. ***** I used to YEARN for a Monza, and of course, we had 2 Vegas and 3 chevettes in the family. There's your RWD car! LOL.....I loved our Vegas....too bad dad was always rebuiling the motors or repainting them. My dad had a Corvair, too and he still wants to get one again. enjoy the deja vu.....

too bad you couldn't foot the SS. The SS non S/C Cobalt can be had with four doors...4 doors, almost a neccessity with a little one. But i know that its often stretching just to go new. But you will enjoy the trouble free operation of the new car, and the peace fo mind that goes with it. And if you treat it good, nothing ought to need to be replaced or anything for about 4 years. And everything is nice and tight when you drive it. the first 50,000 miles of a car are the best miles of the car. A couple other thoughts....how about a lower priced Malibu or G6? I know the G6 coupe is only 6 cylinder and the 4 cylinder malibu is not racy. Maybe a lower priced Mal or G6 6 cylinder would be too far of a stretch, but you would like the extra room....right now it may not seem needed, but 2,3,4 years down the road you could be kicking yourself for not getting enough room. I know that neither the G6 or Mal have the manual tranny in cheaper form (which is why I don't have one either) and that goes to show you that GM is dropping the ball by not offering either with a stick. But they do each start at around high 15 to 16 grand, which isn't too far off from where you are now. (hehe, a MAXX SS or GTP G6 would be cool). Hey, this just goes to show you that a G5 coupe might be an option for you if it were here...REBADGE or not......... not to bust your bubble.....but if the woman ever steers ya around to any sort of kid wagon, you could get a very base HHR. And, if you do need to go to the dark side, base Chrylser minivans do sell around 15-16 grand which I know are never what one wants. You could always pimp one out. another thought.....GM certified used cars. Sometimes you can strike it lucky on a one year old GM car for a good price. i like the Cobalt, its a great car. good luck with your shopping. I wish I had an SS coupe in YELLOW for hauling ass around on weekends. I LOVED my Ion redline test drive and can only imagine the Cobalt being as fun or more. The base Cobalts I drove were great cars too. Good choice.

i understand the pressure of your management, however, its the customer that rules (becuase they have the $$$$$ to spend). If the customer just wants to look and grab a brochure.....then that's what the DEALER (be it the saleman, or manager or owner or whatever) should be happy with. Maybe the dealers need to adjust their own business models and get with the CUSTOMER program.

i hate sony and i hate civics. the civic of all gen's is one of the most overrated cars.

to expand on that, i guess it seems to me that Dodge has kind of assumed the image that all the old cladded pontiacs used to have.

there's more like 8 saturn dealers in the twin cities.

again, my continuous point is the GTO body was designed for the aero age and when it was conceived up til about 3-4 years ago was quite en vogue. I realize some like the looks of the charger. I think its chunky and unsophisticated yet not terribly objectionable. I do not think its styling is the right kind of style for a car in the mid forties price range.

are we leaving styling out of the equation? not much of that to go on here.......

i guess if you're buying by the pound, then you get a LOT for your money with the dodge. a lOT as in like 4200+ pounds......or more..... 10 bucks a pound roughly. Although good steak in many cases is cheaper than that even.......although cars do cost more per pound.

so it is true then, chryslers have cheap interiors?

INVEST is the key word here. make it better and more efficiently. not just cheaper.

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i saw a news story on that very sort of thing. but someday, they will figure it out, then it will suck the same.

"Can GM and Ford catch up and eventually keep pace with Toyota? History shows that the two will probably be left behind over the short-term at least, causing greater losses until wholesale changes are made, brought on by complete reevaluations of core business strategies. Ford, at least, seems to be on the right track regarding the number of V6 car engines it currently produces, while GM has seen improvements over the last five years by nearly halving the number of man-hours needed to produce its V6 engines. Such advancements will not be enough, however, to match the production efficiency and resultant lower costs and improved reliability of Toyota's Simple Slim processes. "

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Putting this into context, Toyota has not only managed to halve the cost of its most popular six-cylinder engine, but the very fact this same engine is used in so many vehicles will, through economies of scale, increase Toyota's profitability overall. Compare this to rival General Motors, the world's largest automaker and one that looks as if it will soon be passed by the Japanese giant for overall global sales, which makes so many engines V6 engines that it's difficult to keep track of them all. A lesson could be learned, with the General producing a variety of antiquated overhead-valve engines with only 2-valves per cylinder, measuring 3.4-, 3.5-, 3.8- and 3.9-liters in displacement, plus a supercharged 3.8-liter version in its Pontiac Grand Prix. Only Cadillac's 3.6-liter V6 boasts four-valve per cylinder and dual overhead cam technology, an engine also found in Buick's top-line LaCrosse. To complicate things even further, it could be argued that GM's most sophisticated V6 is the 3.5-liter mill found in the top-line Saturn VUE, but the fact that it's nothing less than Honda's superb Accord V6 is no doubt embarrassing to the Detroit-based automaker's execs. The question that General Motors should be asking itself is, why make a total of six V6 engines and borrow another from Honda, adding complexity and resultant cost to the automaker's bottom line, when the only truly competitive GM V6 to Toyota's 3.5, or for that matter Honda's 3.5-, Nissan's 3.5-, Hyundai's 3.3- and 3.8-, or Ford's all-new 3.5-liter V6, is the 3.6-liter unit only available in the Cadillac CTS, SRX and STS, plus the LaCrosse? Wouldn't it be simpler, more efficient and therefore potentially cheaper to make one extremely good V6 engine, rather than five that don't really measure up to the competition?"

"Toyota's money crunchers must have done back flips when The real beginnings to the 3.5-liter engine available in many Toyota products. (Photo: Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A.) production costs for the new engine were halved to about $1,000 per 3.5-liter V6, what will soon become one of its most popular engines. The new V6, currently residing in the recently redone Avalon and completely revised top-level 2006 RAV4, replaces both 3.0- and 3.3-liter V6 engines for the all-new 2007 Camry when it goes on sale in March, the best-selling car in the U.S. The engine will also be the motivating force behind the new 2007 Highlander and should soon find its way into the Sienna minivan and replacement for the Camry Solara coupe and convertible models, plus a number of Lexus models including the new 2007 ES 350 sedan and RX 350 crossover SUV."

here Can General Motors and Ford Keep Up? There are two ways to increase your income; 1) spend less or 2) How do you cut profits, without cutting quality, or dulling the 'cutting edge'? make more. While no one questions whether or not Toyota Motor Company will have any problem achieving the second, the automaker is already a tightly run ship. Nevertheless, about 300 of its most creative engineers have figured out how to cut build costs of its popular 3.5-liter engine, by a significant margin.

the Azera reminds me some of the bland Millenia

S4 has AWD and a nice interior

its so heavily camoed in the front and rear you can't really make it out to well.

this topic is about whether the SRT is overpriced for what you get. I created the topic. My vote is yes. IF your disagree, fine...you're likely in the minority. For 44k, the interior should be nicer to be on par with Audis and the styling should be much better for a car in that price range. I could agree with a 38k or maybe even 39,500 sticker on this car. but the 44k is a bit too much.