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there is no reason to pick a Ridgeline over an Avalanche if you are hauling home anything besides a venti mocha. The Avlanche trounces the Ridgeline in virtually every way imaginable. body shops are going to get rich fixing bent chassis' on these things. I remember my brother in law (a farmer) telling me how non-tough the first aero ford pickups (late 90's) were. It must have been true since the current gen F series are tough as a brick shthouse. I can't imagine a Ridgeline having even half the toughness of those late 90's F series that could take real work on the farm. I bet if a Ridgeline was to serve duty on the farm in one month it'd be toast.

my buddy gets 15 mpg with his Pilot (either with or without his big wife) so the bad Ridgeline mpg doesn't surprise me.

GM could build nice vehicles like Siennas and Camrys but they choose not to. Instead, they build Uplanders and Malibus. That should sum it up right there. Every response, all i can reply is, its the products. Why does the Sienna havea nice interior, normal looking exterior and superior safety? GM could go that route if they wanted to. They don't want to. Their management either doesn't know how or just simply refuses to do it. Why is an Accord so palatable for so many Americans with its smooth DOHC v6 and pleasant interior but the Malibu suffers with schizo looks, heinous plastic, 4 speed trannies and iron block yesteryear pushrod v6s? GM could go that route if they wanted to. They seem to prefer to keep all Chevy's except Corvette in the market's perceptual slum. Is Lutz to blame? Rick? BUICKMAN? or some nameless high level managers who really ought to be relieved of their duties. Or is the high priced UAW to blame? Is GM forced to cheap out on eveyrthing out of need or is it just the nature of a fat middle aged clueless American business man? GM could support that many brands with good planning and a continued commitment to new exceptional products. They just choose not to. Enjoy that Torrent, I am sure it wil still around in 2012. If Pontiac had its act together they would have a budget x5/Cayenne type SUV out that was even like a CX-7 but superior and more attractive.

but the contents (2 shopping bags from macy's) stored in the trunk in the bed were ok I hope?????

quote=CARBIZ,Aug 1 2006, 09:33 AM Only because of 2 reasons.....1- the products are not different / good enough and 2- its because the dealers think that way. if they opened their tunnel vision up and saw their real competition as being dealers of non-GM brands, maybe this would change. Only because GM's products aren't at the level they should be yet. By the way, funny how Toyota CREATED the Lexus and Scion divisions to sell more cars and access more segments. Yet you want GM to lose divisions and lose access to market segments. that makes no sense. Chevy is and always will be too redneck for those that aspire to be hip and cool. Enter Saturn. (By the way, Dodge is the major redneck brand today)..The hipsters and import intenders won't be caught dead in a Chevy...but Saturn is ok. Likewise, the older set who wants something better than a chevy but can't afford a cadillac will want to have buick there. Someone who wants a performance car but doesn't want the crudity of a Chevy or the redneck/bland image of a Chevy may want something more inspired, like where Pontiac is headed. Chevy Solstice......yeah, that would work. NOT. because a- the Xterra is better than both, b- because the Torrent does not execute Pontiac's brand image enough and is a rebadge c-the equinox is lame to start with

for all the hyundais and toyotas at the hertz i drive by every day you'd swear then that they are both in the toilet.

there was a logbook entry on the avalanche i read also but couldn't find the link for. it said something like 'the new avalanche didn't even break a sweat'....

i hope the 'frame' didn't get bent...LOL

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My GM- don't have time right now but will later. I do think GM needs all its brands. GM's distribution and merchandising problems are its dealer network. Its cars are also the problem. As for those who say Saturn should go, how clueless are you? Just watch Saturn explode this next 24 months. If they stay true to their customer service philosophy, it will serve as a model to other GM divisions.....or should....(if we start getting rid of dealers who remain anti-customer, which is many of them). Saab could go or stay but i think they do have a role if they stay. They just need to be scaled down to a small unique level. B-P-G is a stroke of genius. It bridges a lucrative gap between bread and butter chevys (face it no one wants to drive a chevy ford or dodge) and the exclusive cadillacs. You can still buy GM, but own a unique brand, and not have to get stuck driving a Chevy. The article writer is a moron. If GM eliminated its middle segment brands, they would be eliminating half the market's potential customers. What a moron. "we'll only sell to the poor people and very wealthy". If GM poured all their resouces into Chevy, they wouldn't recover all the sales they lost from BPG. what a moron this guy is. Chevy can never be expanded to sell a lot more higher priced cars. Corvette is an exception. SSR's couldn't sell at high prices. VW couldn't sell Phaetons and struggles to sell touaregs. Some brands cannot stratify to fill more/higher price points.

another article that exposes how TTAC is a hack site with no clue. can't we find a way to bring their site down or something so no one has to read it?

yeah, not confirmed yet, but i think its only for the 2.5i manual SEDAN. no wrx.

my prizm with a 120+/- hp 1.8 l toyota motor which has gone essentially unchanged since i owned mine.....and is now in a heavier car was gutless at freeway speeds. yes, i had a stick. it was 'peppy' in town but no way i would trust it on hills or above 50 mph. the toyota 1.8 is not adequate for all around driving.

i thought they were going as is for like 3-4 more years

what a harry situation

flybrian is right sorry now THIS is hot

B O B like people, great in bed, like people.

MONDO cheap lease on them right now. (1k down, 48 mo. 169/mo) just curious. they seem solid, unexciting, cramped. dated. but better than say, an Elantra.

they are alike, i am sure they will both net 20 mpg highway

excellent car also. wow

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re: Honda....go to autoweek.com and read the test update of the 07 Avalanche. there are some TREMENDOUS jabs at the 9 mpg, can't tow over 55 mph ridgeline.

i doubt this will explode the segment for GM, but it will be another improving car line the general sells.