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yeah, the fit is great. 'cept it has no power.

LOL. blu, sometimes you can be such an ASS. LMAO

the reason they are making a fuss of this, is because its not American, its IMPORTED. Just a hunch. And GM is using it to their advantage, good I think. But it does say to me that people will not look at some American cars anymore unless you put an 'imported' spin on it. I just like the car alot. Good proportions, right sized, looks aggressive without looking Asian or boy racer or redneck. I'd really love to get into this thing.

ok, here's a mantra, i just made this up. "eat, or be eaten"

yes there is a mantra above my fireplace

party pooper! sell your truck! go G8!

hi res images and story from km77.com there are 3 link pages to images near the bot of the page. looks like mercedes styled it for the young punks with money and attitudes some of those interior shots are quite nasty

i was only saying that it was the saturn owners I knew. Your results may vary and be very different

I KNOW! exactly. another thing. everyone i know who was a big fan of the OLD saturn 'i.e. small cheap cars' were a bunch of tight assed cheapskates. Gm was never going to make any money off of Saturn's original fan base. these were people who wanted to buy a unflashy car and not buy another one for ten years and wanted to buy it dirt cheap. If GM wants to sell that stuff, they can build it in India now. The Saturn owners I know who were Saturn buffs are not any sort of bunch you could make a living off selling autos to.

truth be told I think the plasma picture is better for movies and sports. A relative is in business for himself as a home and light commerical technology contractor and could have got me a Pioneer Pro 42" plasma for like 1000 bucks, but it was a monitor only, and only had a DVI or PC iinput. My LCD has all sorts of tuners and inputs and outputs and USB and media card slots. CC had the Hitachi plasma on sale for 1300 last week but I did not like the cabinet. The philips and samsung were the only other plasmas I looked at. I admit many things have been done to lessen burn in issues on plasmas but I admit that I really didn't want to chance it, considering i was going to hook up a computer. And I think LCD is crisper with a computer. If I had been using this in a room without 200 sq ft of SW corner windows and without a computer then i most certainly would have gone plasma. I would not be concerned about the life of a plasma. Once I determined I was best off with LCD then I fixated on whether the ambilight feature was important to me. I determined that 1080p was not important to me at this time, because my viewing distance is quite far, and my wife said I can buy another tv in the future if we need one (and it always depends on your money situation, it just happens to be tax refund time). The Philips had some of the least motion blur of all the LCD's and some the best black and contrast levels. The ambilight sealed the deal, as i feel it really expands and frames your view of the screen. So if i get a new LR tv in a year or whatever, then this ones goes to the bedroom. ambilight porn in the bedroom! betteryet, i will hook up the camcorder to the tv as a live cam and we can make some 'live home movies' in ambilight! SA-WEET! as an aside, i figured i finally needed cable or satellite. Now you know why i spend so much time on the net. NO TV! anyways, i went satellite and not sure if i will regret it. we had time warner cable but comcast took over and now is jacking prices up. at least if i am getting bent over for tv i want to be able to maybe get NFL sunday ticket next fall. I wonder how C/G looks on a 42" ambilight LCD.

sure, nothing like porn and ambilight. I'll call my bevy of gay friends to COME over and you can make a party of it. Just bring me Rosie O donnell and some hard liquor and some restraint devices then I can have some fun too.

sure thing!

maybe the factory build tolerance is questionable right now. Maybe the QC is bad and they are just letting them all out.

well, i was able to break away for a bit today and i went over to the saturn dealer. I really wasn't going there to test drive the outlook (I went there to test drive a used Mits Endeavor), but I did get to sit in an Outlook on the showroom floor. So I examined it fairly well, but not with a fine tooth comb. It had cloth. There was some spors where I thought there was some cheapness on terms of plastics but that would be being picky. I think some of the things I noticed that dampened my enthusiasm now for the outlook were little things, but substantial at the same time. Like for example, the front seats did not seem real supportive or solid. Even my 500's seats, although they lack shape, are definitely solid and supportive. The Endeavor I tested has solid supportive seats. Probably the thing that really made me wince (And sorry I knew this would be the case) was how sloppy the smart slide set up was. It did not work smoothly and was very flexy and did not seem as if it will last without breaking down over time. The exposed track system is bound to get plugged up with food and dirt over time. Worse yet, when I tried to put the seat back into place....it did not return all the way unless I manually intervened to push the seat bottom down and the seat back back. The seat bottom was very reluctant to rotate vertical when the seat back was pushed forward and it did so with a big thunk, it was not smooth AT ALL. Now, for such a lauded feature, I would have thought they would have put some time and effort into making it glide like it was on ball bearings or rollers and that each movement would start and end with a nice solid click and that nothing would flex or bend much as you perform the operation. Alas, that sort of thing is always to much to ask of GM. I should have known better. Which led me to think, the fold and tumble setup in my Aztek is MUCH better. Easy, fast, sturdy and gives as good of an access. The rear seats do not technically fold 'flat'. Like in the Freestyle, they fold flush, but with an incline. The load floor rises up the further back into the car you get. I sat in the rear seats, (after beating them into submission and getting the seatbacks down into place against their will) and I had been afraid that the seat bottoms were too low. Well, those weren't terrible. A bit low, but not terribly low. Certainly could be livable. Equally as low as in the Edge. The Freestyle, with its lower footwells, has a more natural second row seat position. I did not try out the third row. It looked roomy, but it would have required me to try to get the smart slide BS to work again and i didn't want to have to break anything, because it may have required me to do that. I'll point this out again. THIS IS NOT A MINIVAN SUBSTITUTE FOR SOMEONE who needs the true virtues of a minivan. The load floor is way too high and their is significantly less overall cargo space and functionality. It also lacks passenger room too although the difference in that aspect is not huge, just slightly noticeable. Now, if this thing can carry plywood regardless, then the cargo dificiency just comes down to how large of a box do you want to carry. a Box for a flat screen plasma tv will not fit upright (as directed) into the back of the outlook. There is only SUV cargo height. There will still be a lot of things this thing will not handle that only a minivan can. The passenger front seat does not fold flat ala freestyle or edge. And I'm sorry, but even with the 2nd row seat slid forward, access is still not as good to the third row as a van. Visually at least. I admit, it did not look inviting enough to contort myself back into the third row through that narrow door. I got the sense they were not offering up test drives for the outlooks because I certainly gave enough hints that I would not mind driving one. Yet, at the same time, I didn't want to. I know with the price of these things I am likely not getting one any time soon. So I settled for the 06 Endeavor test drive which was 13 grand cheaper than the outlook i sat in. Too bad I also couldn't get in and test drive the red 6 speed GTO sitting outside also. While the Outlook does respresent major steps forward in many ways interiors wise, I think they should consider putitng more effort into getting that smartslide to feel like its not junky crap. I also think they could stand some minor upgrades to some interior fitments. Maybe I will drive one soon. Maybe I will drive the Acadia instead. At least now I know I am not wanting it in such a way that I cannot wait and in truth the Ford Edge started looking better to me again after sitting in this Outlook finally and having it be de-mystified. I think the Edge impression to me improves now that I have seen the Outllok is not really leaps and bounds better in the interiors dept.

thanks.....oh, forgot to mention, this is LCD. good advice tho, i have heard the same things.

well, couldn't resist any longer.....took the plunge,although it won't get delivered for nearly a week and a half! won't get it before the Super Bowl...GRRRRRRRRRRR

can't survive selling one car. and a small one at that = no profits.

here only hitch, 4 speed auto...HMMMMMMMMM

here i think i prefer the Altima here to both, although I like a Aura a lot.

heck, its better looking than the civic. its got a nice warranty too. i think if they can attract even a modest percentage of the 'must have Japanese' crowd that dislikes the civic and is simply tired of the Mazda3 and loathes toyota, they should make enough sales. i just hope they put crash protection into this version.

ABS and TRAC cntrl too. and to escape an accident, to have weight on your drive wheels. which of course, mean FWD or AWD in most cases is more handy. just saying. again.

The only thing I can think of in this regard, I will go back and mention how GM was proud when the HHr came out because of the complex stamping process used on the HHR fenders. I think it was something to the effect of multiple stamping and enormous expense and quality control process that was required to get the shape and level of consistency and quality of those pieces on the HHR. It apparently was to such an expense and effort that Gm would have never considered before but with Lutz being a disciple of design and quality they were able to convince the brass that it was needed to preserve the desirability of the car and design. fast forward to Outlook, again, if we have proof that GM is willing to go to expense and effort that had not been demonstrated before, to produce a fender for a fairly cost conscious product....maybe what this says to me now that others in the industry such as Honda are seeing that GM is willing to take the gloves off in terms of sweating details they previously would not go to effort on. And if it gets to the point where Honda etc. takes notice that GM is going to start to take the gloves off with all their products....that might be what has them worried. they may be worried that GM will no longer always dumb it down and give the hondas of the world a free ride to the top.

toyota has 3 brands and has not been as global as GM. GM has many brands and several operating units worldwide. Until recently, crash needs and vehicle packaging were so different on different parts of the globe, it has never really needed to be standardized before, globally. This is just another Toyota is God article. And its not. I should have ordered a happy meal for the writer of this piece of crap. This is about as useless at Robert Farago.

as far as I have seen from real world posters on the 500, the AWD and FWD get the same mpg. Many of the cars with on demand light duty AWD get close to the same regardless.

reuters this is so excessive, no frickin way i shop at home depot much anymore. Good thing lowe's is closer to my house. It's not has base salary I take issue with, its the severance package.