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the success of the CR-v baffles the mind. overpriced. no engine cheesy interior bad styling oh well, i guess the girlgirls in this country have a new darling vehicle and its not a subaru anymore. lots of p*ssy whipped husbands are forced to buy them for their psychotic bipolar wives too or they cut off in the bedroom

my guess is the new fit is not as hideous and cheesy as the current one and will gain sales too. i would like to see a crx too. a cheaper hybrid makes sense for them. honda usually makes pretty good decisions without having to resort to the same marketing and PR crap toyota does. honda still makes p*ssy cars though.

well, i guess toyota saw all those escalade buyers take advantage of the fast writeoff tax code and decided their fans needed a tax writeoff.

it wasn't a big enough quake.

VW has earned its place here and does not deserve to go. diesels the bus beetle scirroco corrado passat fox eurovan golf jetta i would rather see other brands die. hyundai kia honda toyota etc. vw is a long time contributor to our automotive history in the US. its really the quality issue but everything else is there. remember we say 'its all about product'? well, vw's product is good and look where that gets them. it was styling and interiors that got vw popular earlier this decade. it was reliability that killed them. in the age of the internet, 5 minutes of surfing tells the idiotic non thinking amurchan to buy a camry or accord. and its that much harder for a diverse automotive landscape. its not fair. the current jetta and rabbit are very good cars. they lease them cheap and in lesser trims are fairly reasonable to buy. beetles are cheap and campy. a big problem is stuff like the phaeton and v6 passats way too spendy. audi going downmarket doesn't help. here's what i would do to flush out vw's lineup. rabbit - as is pretty much. jetta- stop trying to peddle loaded versions at such a high price. gti- seemingly ok beetle......i would try to bring down the pricing to move them in more volume except for some special editions. the interior needs a redo. this car needs a marketing push. passat......repackage it. get the word out about the base model and lower equipped models. i would consider dropping the v6's. i would rebadge the eos as the jetta convertible. or i might even drop the model. i might drop the toareg. off a cliff if possible. they need a budget entry, a size smaller than the rabbit. bring the polo over. scirroco too. vw needs a cheap crossover. tiguan is unattractive. they can do better. a good crossover or two would help vw. i've never understood why GM never marketed the saab 9-3 to passat customers. 'vw's break down' and the saab is more unique. i think saab could have sustained itself in the US just off of disgruntled VW customers.....poaching them......an extra 10,000 a year or so. vw's dealers don't help. they are often pushy rude and bad places overall. VW must have poor customer relations.

not bad at all. should compete well vs passat and accord.

the lambdas are very good and have better interiors than the edge, yes, however, the lambdas still use cheap cheap cheap plastic. not much better than the cobalt's grainy hard stuff. the equinox interior is one of the worst on the market. the lambda interior is an audi interior in comparison. at least in the torrent they put in contrasting cloth to pull your eye away from the nasty pop bottles. at least the edge has elbow room and width and has the window switches where humans look to use them.

i don't think he'd drive a p-o-# like that.

i forgot. since the GM vans were not high profile though you can forgive me for that. the relative reliability of the versatrak was offset by 'the gasket' anyways.

sweet

you were the resident babe, right?

my father in law said he got 34mpg on his trip last week. in his v6 Olds 88. that civic getting 32 is no big deal then.

i don't talk to my neighbor ever. everyone i come in contact with is dumbasses. i guess. their other vehicle is a caravan.

there won't be a lot of equinox sports out there. the bulk of them will have chinese pushrods. and all of them will be door side elbow knockers from lack of girth and have the ancient theta and power window swtiches on the center console area. Power window switches were intended by God to be on the doors. To have them anywhere else is insane. I would not dispute an equinox sport being a good drive, if they drive as advertised. I never found the old vue with honda motor a good drive or good suspension. the front end was too heavy, there was driveline lag, and it didn't feel rock solid. In Sport guise, if it turns out to have good suspension and handling, then you could really pick the sport because its more involved and such. I think if the equinox sport is priced ok on the actual lot, its a worthwhile option. too bad a gasoline can has more nicely textured plastic than the equinox.

priced to move, most GM vehicles have similar discounts. so again, its the same price as the vue and they weight about the same for having more size etc. in the edge. weight is not an issue since the smaller vue is as porky. besides, vs. the murano, yeah the murano is lighter but go find user reports, it gets crap mpg despite the light weight. I'll take the crash safety, thanks. find a lambda on the showroom floor you can buy for 28k. a stripped fwd outlook. that is 5 grand more than the SE edge which is pretty well equipped. sorry. at a minimum the edge destroys the equinox. GM has nothing to go against the edge. the only edge complaint that is legit is interiors but that is the same complain you can level on any GM vehicle produced ever. and even then its not that bad. the plastic spec and center stack could just use an upgrade. the seats are fabulous.

i hear they have some nice tatas.

nissan, make it less ugly inside and out and make it hold up. i am pretty glad nowadays that i did not get one a couple years ago. it's still the best driving minivan but c'mon, make it a semblance of attractive. please. believe it or not, the reason many folks jump off the minivan bandwagon, besides the nerdiness of it, is lack of AWD. no one to date has come up with a minivan that has had a reliable problem free fuss free AWD.

i think the pilot is getting impacted by the lambdas, plus its old. that didn't keep my neighbor from just getting one last week. he's a honda banger. trying to sell his civic. whatever. a buddy is car shopping due to an unofrtunate accident and now today emails me and says he is thinking of an accord because 'they are rated so highly'. I had him try a mazda6 last week and have basically pleaded with him to try everything but an accord or camry but i suppose another 'i don't care so i will pick the highest rated' comes to roost.

you say that now. the country is going to hell and a hand basket. simple call center jobs are already over in india. its only a matter of time before we are all flipping burgers.

you conveniently forget the ford dealer will be knocking at least 3-4 grand off that edge MSRP. most edges on the lot are in the 27-33 range anyways. example. just on the lot, new edge sticker was 26800 dealer had it marked at 22,999. saturn will not be doing that.

you didn't read my first post in the thread? Jaguar. FOrd owns Jaguar. i bet a dual mode hybrid in the chinese park avenue would own this car.

yeah. totally. its barely much more $$$$ than a vue XR. the weight is not an issue since the vue is as porky and much smaller to boot so anyone who uses the weight as an issue against the 5 star crash tested edge is being slightly hypocritical. few other vehicles in this class weight much less. the extra weight of the edge contributes to the extremely solid chassis and quiet and solid ride. the edge is still 500 pounds lighter than the lambdas across the board. i can understand having an issue with an aerostar TWENTYFIVE YEARS AGO but think, this is the same 'my citation sucked', 'my vega sucked', 'my olds diesel blew up' arguments you hear import humpers using over and over again to buy less useful vehicles for more money. it's time to stop using that logic. that's like saying 'my sister stole my candy when we were 6'. my fords, my gm's all have been rock solid and in case you haven't noticed fusion is outranking accord and camry in cr and also my 500 is recommended and so are other fords. the duratec 35 is most proven engine in testing ford has ever built, is used in mazda products from japan and the new 6 speed is shared with GM so you can be confident in that. mazda would not put the motor in its cars if it were junk. the edge is built on a large chassis where the vue is a billeted redo of the theta which may not be able to handle the excess it is carrying. the edge has mazda6 componentry which is proven. if you dissect the murano and edge pricing, buy or lease, you will find that they are about the same. in this case i give the nod to the ford for various reasons. i do not think i would want to have a 1st gen NISSAN CVT, and the murano interior is tired as is the exterior. i know the murano handles well. the ford has the folding front passenger seat which is awesome for versatitility and i guarantee it will be cheaper to insure. the edge is only expensive for the very very top mostly equipped models. it is overall priced as good or better than most of its competition. enough sales job. just try one. satty and i recommend it. try the taurus x too. i understand if you've got reasons to not you might find it a better drive for the money than some of your other vehicles listed....or maybe not. who knows. ah, its always fun to see folks have the opportunity to get a vehicle they like that will suit their needs. good luck with the rest of the hunt. re: the nitro...i drove one, and i was appalled. I know it looks cool but the handling ride and interior were just not great. the seats were terrible. i'm certain you'd find an edge more refined overall even if you liked the way the nitro looked. the new pacifica with the 4.0l 6 speed combo was much better. was your nitro an R/T?

xB (ducks and runs) i might try to do that myself today. another plea....at least PLEASE drive the edge (right satty?) try a base cx-9, too. just for comparison. i've got a buddy who racked up his impala, he is looking at a mazda6 today. i am trying to talk him into the cx-7. i want to drive the cx-7 and cx-9 myself. the murano aesthetic is way tired. used SRX? certified preowned? sportcombi?

i like the jaguar xj. 3800 pounds. aluminum. style. great mpg. goes to show you, toyota is starting to stumble. I like this article. hits em right where they need to be hit.

i want a porsche xB