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CRV is not an SUV. Its a new age accord in drag. Chick car on stilts. sad but true.

omg that pontiac is front wheel drive! No, we must make it RWD to kill sales!

well, for one, pickups are SOLID vehicles. you can buy one and know its not going to be pounded into a little pile by the roadway in 5 years, unlike a typical UJS. It can take abuse and holds up well to roads, offroad, weather and salt. you can haul things in them. I was able to haul some pavers in my aztek last year. But mano, that rear suspension was maxxed out (no pun). Trucks (real trucks, no ridgelines), you can buy stuff at homestores and carry it home. Cars and fake trucks can't. Resale. Pickups have even better true resale than even the most beloved UJS's. Buy a pickup, pay for it for 5 years and you can still find someone who will be pleased to pay you private party 60%, 65% or more what it's worth. Why, because it still has useful life left in it. Comfort, for some folks, trucks are the only vehicles that provide real width or headroom or footroom. Easier to get in and out of. So many cars like the new Malibu are downsized so that only slight people can get in and out of them and have adequate space. Also, many love the secure ride and hadling and all weather capability of trucks. I know driving through blizzards, there is not much better than Suburbans, Tahoes, etc. Safety. Who's gonna win in a crash? Cost. Scan the paper. Right now, big discounts. The greater question is why people spend 40-50k on luxury sedans when for much less they can buy pickups, with cheaper insurance, maintenance, etc. Also note because of strong resale, trucks lease cheap. And you often might buy it at lease end because its worth so much. Lux car buyers just dump and move on to the next pretentious car. Basically trucks sell because of what they can do and the tremendous value they bring. Mpg is really the only downfall of trucks aside from high center of gravity. Also, trucks are great home business deductions, for self employed, aside from the more than you think amount of folks who have trucks for commerical reasons. my dad says farm commodity prices being near double of last year, everyone is his area is out buying new trucks. One thing about farmers, if the year is good, they all go out and buy trucks, whether the one they already have is just fine or not. Let me put it to you this way. My hometown is like 200 people. But they have a chevy dealer, and they sell as many or more pickups than the nearest GM megastore 30 miles away because they sell so many trucks. they never have new cars on the lot, but always a buttload of trucks, and boy do they sell.

exactly. i prefer to call it 'ugly pile of sht' myself. Even if were made with exotic leathers and diamonds. The design is abominable. on the flip side, the uncamoed photo of the white camaro on GM's blogs page is a major thumbs up. perhaps it would be worth having one, in spite of the complete 'cabin o' crap'. that interior is going to absolutely get crucified by the press and buyers.

Just thinking, all the good Malibu PR, and folks shopping for them, and not being able to get the car due to demand and low supply....will people learn that the Aura is almost the same car and maybe go get an Aura instead?

i hated the last Liberty, but i think the new one is decently done. why are they putting a BOF truck in a car comparo? I like the grand vit a lot, except that i think it's engine could stand to be more competitive. And the available stick is a cool thing in this class.

as a ford fan, i would never want them to do anything with chrylser. i would prefer chrysler fold.

if pontiac gets the ax, then this person will never buy another GM vehicle ever again.

my sister had a beretta. that interior didn't induce vomiting. mustang looks like a luxury car in comparison. if i were an exec, and saw that interior was the result, i'd cancel the project on the spot and fire those responsible. for crying out louds, those are cheap ass malibu seats even. My God, you don't put Malibu seats in a Camaro for crying out loud.

bullsh1t. americans will rebel. even the greenies won't sacrifice that long or much

with the ugly ass interior i see in the spy photos of that camaro, i'd say it's a bonda fide threat to not sell. holy crap that is a TERRIBLE interior. design, plastics, i don't care if its preproduction. they seriously cannot be making that available for public sale. partially reminds me of a mid 90's prelude interior and also of the dump i took an hour ago. between that and cancelling the new northstar, bad GM rears its ugly head again.

yup, and the Tc is long in the tooth, plus the whole 'tuner' craze / sport compact fast and furious thing is so not hip anymore. "Scion". yeah. these are two human tragedies. these two cars don't even deserve to sell half that. I hope the Accord / Malibu and new Mazda6 eat into this tragedy. And Corolla, as big a tragedy. I bet GM would love to gobble up half that volume of those two cars alone.

no nav no sync no bluetooth not even a single mp3 aux in jack --- edge almost outsells lambda by itself...........

I was lamenting taurus sable sales but then saw that the Taurus X is up like 45-50% over the freestyle. combine those 3 and i think the chicago triplets is up nicely overall.

Edge up 5800% Freestar down 100% LMAO

http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?se...p;revlogtype=22

kia sounds like 'chia' CH CH CH CHIA!

doh! gotta log in!

I read this in the paper today here locally, can anyone hunt down the link for Dan neil's review on the Tahoe hybrid? It's a decent read, he thinks functionally its a good vehicle but he spent more time writing about the significance of a big SUV getting the hybrid treatment.

saweet! (the caprice wagon)

a couple of thoughts here. yes, social security, health care, wars, national security....everyone seems to take this stuff for granted but there are some major problems down the road with this stuff because of how badly the baby boom generation / fem. movement has screwed us, they created an economy that is out of whack vs the ozzie and harriet days and now their numbers retiring are far greater than the generations after that were culturally and economically forced into 'breeding responsibly'. Previous poster who advocated no more new children doesn't seem to get that those younguns will be pumping money into the health care and social security machines that the numerous boomers will be sucking upon en masse. Plus all the younguns we need to get working and filling needed jobs to support our blue haired and entitled population.....driving ambulances, cleaning up floors in the rest homes etc. the 'anti-sprawl' / walk everywhere crownd, simply put, is fking clueless. mobility = freedom = what our country is based upon. It was the engine of our postwar greatness. I do feel mass transit is part of the solution but all the idiots seem to think one has to come at the expense of the other. Pull your heads out of your brainwashed liberal urban arses long enough to understand a few things. If you had no car and the bus and train was not running, how pray tell would you get a sick kid to the emergency room at 3 am. Walking in a cold zero degree night? How would anyone drive up to their precious fricking summer cabins in the middle of nowhere? How would families coexist in communal properties? Not very well. People always seem to forget with high density housing comes social costs (not gonna discuss those here) but building costs as well. If you think condo living means cheaper living, think again. Does your single family home in a nice suburb bear the cost of an expensive steel or concrete structure, fire sprinkling system, elevators, commercial mechanical system with elaborate pressurization, communal rooms, emergency generators, stories of exit stairs. Who pays for all that? What sort of resources were wasted making those elaborate structures when simple stick frame houses would do? Where does that expensive condo fee go every month? You gotta pay someone to maintain those big buildings. Window washing crews? You don't need to do that on your house. If maintenance slides, can you all agree on whether to pony up more bucks, or do advocate letting it slide? If the city comes knocking on your door and mandates that you need to spend 6,000 per resident to upgrade the mechanical to code, how do you feel about that? Still like living with the guy three stories up whose toilet you hear flushing through the floor? How bout that vietnamese family that stinks up the whole building with their spicy cooking? You wanna bear the smell of that all the time in many parts of the building? You like being trapped on floor 27 with only a tiny balcony and no connection to the earth? You think there is any incentive for large rental properties (especially low income ones) to be kept up? If resident 23 trips and breaks their leg because maintenance guy your association hired didn't mop the floor right and he sues the condo association, did you ever think that cost isn't gonna nail ya? Who's gonna pay the settlement and legal fees? You think whitey worked his whole life to live in a cramped urban setting with other income groups? nuh uh. whitey wants the boat on the lake and no density. whitey writes the checks. Yes, whitey buys expensive condos too but you better bet he still doesn't want to walk and he defintely wants premier parking space for his SUV / suburban, even if he lives in a downtown condo. So get down off this 'walk everywhere' high horse. Our lifestyles are mobile and dynamic and requires mobility. How limited would you be if you had 3 kids and each one went to a different private or charter school and each was like 10 miles away. Oh yeah, WALKING your kid to school everyday like Laura fricking Ingalls Wilder would be productive. They don't build schools every four blocks these days. Kids would be walking 8 miles to school. Mom walking the kid to school, by the time she gets home by noon, she has to turn around and go back to pick them up and walk them back home. that doesn't leave empowered mom the freedom to look for a job, does it? Now mom is resentful because she lost her mobility and does not have the freedom to work if she chooses. i think i said this in another thread. the govt would be better off to offer eye popping incentives to companies for pushing new tech and high mpg cars instead of CAFE. For example, waive a (US based) automakers need to comply will all CAFE if they sell x amount of qualifyiing innovative, hybrid, alt fuel or otherwise beneficial cars each year, and give them a 3-5k tax break per type car for doing so. IOW, let them sell all the suburbans they want, but if they build 50,000 bioethanol aveos (stipulation that it is designed and built here in US) a year in the US and sell them that get like 50/60 mpg and zero emissions, then waive cafe for their entire lineup and give them a huge tax break on each type of car like that they build. Or, GM builds 100k volts with zero emissions and can run on elec. waive cafe for the rest of the GM lineup. and let the public decide. there is no benefit to reverting to tribal living (i.e. highly cramped forced living arrangments and no mobility). Mobility is one of our countries greatest assets. It keeps us on top. It makes us happy. We simply need to push more and newer techonolgies to facilitate that way of life. One other thing that needs to happen. all the old boomer bosses in middle and upper mgmt and ceos need to change our work culture and arrangements so they don't feel like they need to have us chained in a cube 5-6 days a week. internet alone means we could work part week at home and by simply staying home 1-2 days a week, we could cut our energy expenditures a lot. But many people in charge can't function as bossmen unless they think they have watch over us like little kids. that is a culture/generational thing that needs to go away and get osme of these old folks to change their thinking.

to me, it's just that the galant with a crosshairs grille would be incredibly believable as a dodge (invitation for someone to chop that). new interior in that, and its a better entry than the avenger. dodge and chrysler ought to retreat and refocus the avenger and sebring as 'large compacts'. sell them at prices not far off from typical compacts and equip most of them with fuel friendly 4 cylinders. keep them lightly optioned and watch them sell to folks who don't have a lot of money to spend and want good mpg of a compact, with more space. to try to pass these cars off as desirable midsizers is not believable. speaking of 'outlandish', rebadge the outlander as a dodge too, while your at it. and the lancer would make a good dodge too. dodge would be better off with all those rebadged mitsubishis for car, except for the charger and challenger obviously.

i like it, except the interior is snooze inducing. not badly done, just way to dull styling wise. CMON PEOPLE..... GIVE IT UP FOR THE OLDS CUSTOM CRUISER....WITH VISTA ROOF!!!!!!!!!!!! next M6 wagon is nice.

i am totally fine with those results. myself, if pressed, might pick the honda over the BU, (only for space reasons really) but I am glad to see they treated the cahmree appropriately. Where was the Altima?

Lutz is on my sh1tlist because the Zeta and G8 wagon will not have AWD. Not NOW or anytime. A new Saab 9-5 sportcombi with cross wheel drive and 300hp turbo might redeem him, but come on, where is my AWD G8 sportwagon with 3.6DI and stick or small block and stick? audi was onto something with the allroad quattro. air suspension to raise the car when needed. instead, they put out the oinker Q7 and its 3 ton weight. and i guess its selling well. Go figure.