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the RL is a bad car market failure overpriced unacceptable styling for its class front bias v6 interior not up to german competition not any different than TL's and accords might get schooled by the new HYUNDAI so, while the car maybe gets up and goes and drives nicely, it is the equivalent action of GM trying to sell pushrod v6 cars. same kinda thing. works good for those that like them but in the class / market they are in they simply do not give the essentials. summation- the RL hits no hot buttons in the market it is trying to compete in. there is no overwhelming defining advantage to the car. not one. you said it yourself you would not be caught dead in one. millions of consumers share your sentiment. funny how the CTS sales blow the doors off the RL. does the RL even have remote start? i'd rather have that than headlights that move (and consequently break down)

the g8 GT will probably lay the RL to complete waste on the track, despite SHAWD. is what i am referring to. go. stop. turn. as in the RL 'cannot perform'. i bet the upcoming GXP is even sillier on it.

i know this. the new g8 spanks the RL's ass at about 20 grand less. i wouldn't take an RL if they gave it to me. all my friends would say it and say, 'wow, that's a nice Accord.'

ethanol is made from feed corn, not the juicy sweet corn we eat. while ag is subsidized, it falls into line with the age old political agenda of being able to produce agriculture here and being competitive in that arena worldwide. So take it up with your politicians. Not saying its right or wrong, but just saying that getting rid of corn ethanol will not remove the farm subsidy program. If anything, ethanol revenue may make some growers less dependent or qualified for subsidies. Another flip side, like in my wife's hometown, they are building an ehtanol plant. The boom to that town will be unlike any economic boost that town has seen since, basically, never. and GM is smart. make the trucks run on the fuel they grow themselves and you have customers forever. those folks do not want to send the money to the folks not like them overseas. it's a start. Why does everyone think it has to be the end solution? commodity prices are way up, but its not necessarily due to ethanol. and, raw material does not explain why bread is 3 dollars instead of 2, because even if the cost of the raw material doubles, that's still only a few cents. the cost of the flour / wheat in bread is only a few cents. blame your marketing and transportation for the cost explosion. E85 and ethanol fuels should be one component of our fuel choices. Euros say diesel is a better choice than hybrids. Let them build cost effective hybrids first before anyone declares them useful to those of us who wish to spend our money wisely. until then, we should diversify ethanols and diesels too. and lest ye forget. bush/cheney is still in control and there is no cutting off exxon's etc. big profits until those guys are out. you silly boys.

if GM kills zeta and the G8 here, it will rank among the stupidest decisions ever made.

boy we all gotta love revisionist history. if the fricking beretta was so godawful terrible, why was it a topseller for almost ten years? why did my sister drive hers for almost 200k relatively trouble free miles, in MN salt without any rust for crying out loud? Jesus Christ, let's make it sound like all cars GM ever built in the last 20 years were complete crap! cadillac devilles of the 90's were about as problem free a car as anything out there. there are plenty of other good gm and ford offerings as well. God, this automotive revisionist history thing is getting out of hand. i'm on IM right now with my friend who still has his beretta! damn thing might be like 15 years old right now. it still goes!

yum, that sounds like lunch tomorrow! wonder if i can get some extra tartar sauce with it to tang it up a bit. btw, i actually had pizza for dinner and nothing fish related all day. GAWD i was not carbon neutral this evening.

now is when i say to all you guys guys out there something i know will get you to shut the old pie hole. guess what I ATE today.........o cmon. the answer is a little FISHY

ok, can we apply that to all the bling consumer reports munching toyo honda buyers then? you know, the ones that won't give a domestic a fair shake?

scoped out some new Journeys at the dealer by my house this afternoon. nice looking exterior. parked next to a pacifica, its a tish larger and hard to initially pick them out from each other. but its a nice shape, even though the front is a bit bland. They had models from about 21k to about 29k. The 4 cylinder at 21k is a heckuva bargain for a vehicle that large and functional. In fact, in a lot of ways, the Journey makes the Equinox seem kind of useless. I couldn't sit in it, however, the impression of what i saw about the interior was that the plastics lack, the dash is not a great design. the second row seats look too low (even lower than the lambdas) and the cargo area floor is way too high which makes it less commodious. Width and leg room seem to be nicely sized. In fact, overall, the size of this vehicle is probably the crossover segment sweet spot, cargo area excluded. But I don't think any of that will stop the thing from selling big, mainly due to price. Dodge has added a good vehicle to its stable.

go find a used rav4 with about 30k on the odo and open and close the rear hatch. a few times, if it doesn't bother you first. then close the hatch on the vue. paper vs. steel.

especially Americans. either all on, or all off. glass half full? as long its not plastic, cause plastic kills our earth! OMG!

you're a star Chris. !

awesome car. no other way to say it.

aside from being tough to look at, the charger is a good car.

http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/..._a_cr.html#more

THANK YOU. yeah, it's getting overbearing. we don't need that subtopic in nearly every story even remotely related to cars!

example. vipers cutlass, which alone accounts for 99% of the pollution on his street, is an otherwise classic car. we don't need to inject the global warming and fuel economy bs in every article about cars on the internet

the real elephant in the room is that i think GM is trying to weed out rear bias cars for all brands except cadillac and maybe camaro / corvette. i think they think if they can move holdens over to the EPs 2 next generation, they'll be no need to proliferate zetas here. IOW, why have delta, epsilon, alpha and zeta, when GM could move to build most of its global mainstream cars on just the delta and epsilon? in theory, epsilon2 with AWD should provide a driving experience similar to what audi quattros and the like have been able to do, and i did not see any plans to make alpha or zeta AWD compatible.

yet go to fuel economy.gov and saturn aura hybrid has net 30 mpg for users there.

NOT EVERY SINGLE EFFING ARTICLE ABOUT CARS NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT FUEL ECONOMY, EMISSIONS, OR GLOBAL WARMING THE AUTOMOBILE MAKERS ARE NOT ALONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROBLEM NOR SHOULD IT BE UP TO THEM SOLELY TO FIND THE SOLUTION FOR EITHER FIXING THE ENVIRONMENT OR ALTERNATE MEANS OF PROPULSION YET THIS BULLST CREEPS INTO EVERY ARTICLE OR DISCUSSION ON CARS INCLUDING ON TOPICS ABOUT CUPHOLDERS

as far as joshiepoo. he is declaring on gms that the 2012 corvette will be mid engine. 'we can exclusively confirm' and no other supporting data to back it up. nice one. googleing flybrian or brian dreggors shows lots of links but any forum boards are consistent with his disappearance from here too. maybe he's working 2 jobs or has a hot n heavy going on. or he got fed up with the internet in general.

sh-t EVERY stinking car article today is about some dickwad who finds some study about how ethanol has 5 times the carbon footprint of oil, or how America's love for cupholders shows how we will pay the price for ignoring the environment. A merc sable (huge car) tests out 20 mpg and gets ripped on. why, because it a volvo c30 gets ONE more mpg? or how GM is killing all large cars so they can sell us all small cars, which no one wants. every internet story today about cars and the automtive industry seems to degenerate into some SIDE BULLSH1T about the environment and global warming. how in the Flock do we get from ripping people about cupholders and saying that's the reason for the demise of our environment? Lutz was right. ITS ALL A CROCK OF SHT. i suppose some dillhole is going to write an article about how the power used by our windshield wipers causes the downfall of society. MY GOD PEOPLE GET A GRIP. can we talk about the CARS please?????????????????????????

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/21/science...rth-than-fossi/

http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2008-chevrol...tml?tag=bubbl_1