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i laugh at all the dissecting of the saturn thing. just now, over the wall, another co-worker bought a saturn this past weekend. that's in addition to the one in my row a couple weeks ago. and was with a coworker at the autoshow this weekend and he spent about an hour in a vue and that will likely be his next vehicle, either that or the fusion. also, saturn was the GM brand getting the most love at the show this weekend from showgoers. that, and chevy trucks. the astra, aura, vue, outlook, sky, all got plenty of love from the crowds. not sure its worth all your mental anguish. saturn is here and does generate traffic.

point being, the 'little front drive cars that could' bit works for a honda brand, not for a luxury brand acura will go into free fall soon if they don't get some decent product out. there was hardly anyone looking at acuras at the autoshow this weekend. people still love the germans (real pedigree and real luxury and performance) and lexus (toyota fascination)

bullsh1t on the speed 3 excuses again. the 3 hatch is a low rider car, just like the cobalt. the HHR is a trucklet. don't confuse the two.

17 seconds is not a lot....LOL. in nascar or indy, 17 seconds is quite a bit. if anything, 13 seconds shows you that the handling is where it needs to be and it has a big power advantage accelerating out of turns and on straights. no one is saying the speed 3 is crap, its a fine excellent car. what is being said is that the chevy has the ability to go toe to toe with the class leaders. GTI, speed 3, etc. (notice the civic is not a class leader). personally i think the price is a grand too high. maybe incentives will set in. you can always find an employee purchase incentive at your job that allows you to buy a chevy at invoice. invoice minus GM card brings the price of this to reasonable. the sticking points for this with me are, small cabin and no armrest. i want to see if ford offers the larger 2.5 litre ecoboost 260hp 4 with a stick on the fusion before i would consider going small with the cobalt. note: the cobalt SS has ELECTRIC power steering. and its not getting ripped on.

i dont think GM wants chevy to dominate its sales charts because chevy is the lowest priced stuff. and too many chevys would drop the resale. saturn was the GM brand getting the most love at the autoshow when i was there this weekend, aside from chevy trucks.

If GM moved the HQ then i would not buy GM pretty much. they won't though. too much $$$ from trucks. they would lose truck sales entirely if they did that.

i wouldn't want their think tank in that warped cesspool that is not representative of the other 49. although, a nice irony of moving the HQ out of the US, it would be outsourcing the high exec jobs to other countries. maybe that would send a message.

absofockinlutely. there is no other way to interpret that, unless you are JJJJJaded or in an induced haze. I presume that 13 seconds faster than ALL SUBCOMPACTS includes the mazdaspeed 3, the GTI and junk like the powerless civic. . the MS3 is fast, but its not been lauded as supremely refined. nor are its 5-60 times that great. it's a torque steer monster. the c30 IIRC actually beat the MS3 in the big recent comparo in 5-60. I will have to check that. this is set up to be interesting. they already made a comparative statement to the GTI. I can't wait to see what they say about it compared to the civic POS. they will prob give the nod to the civic because of some reason.

yeah, but toyotas average buyer age is not young at all. toyota love was a product of the boomers.

i honestly couldn't say, but i wonder how many problems in marraiges today 'would not be problems' if the sex life between the two people was awesome and open etc. Like would the piddly things man and woman fight about even be issues if the sex life was fresh, inventive, etc. and both were interested. as for me, its not like i am tired of what i got by any stretch. its just that its kind of like you just want more, your appetite is what is big. can't have it though. it's like the chinese buffet. you can't overdo it.

thanks 2 chevs.!

worldwide your point is valid. but in the sphere of the US market, average consumers consider them to offer very different products.

i m not a fan. she loves big fat trucks. ick.

i guess it depends what Carl Peter wants to do.

well inifinti G and M are RWD biased platforms with optional v8's too. i.e. real hardware. that's the main diff. a TSX is an accord. So is the TL. if Acuras US offerings were on a real upgraded unique platform, they wouldn't have the issues. their is a real substantive difference in every way between an infiniti G/M and the altima/maxima. the TL and TSX are all to similar to the Accord. Part of the problem is the Accord dynamically is too good of a car. that's the 08 is so ugly. they had to dumb down the accord some to make acura still worth it.

new subtopic. y'all ever envision another when you're going at it with the one at home? this morning i was just sh-ggin the mrs silly (really, it was sick) and i kept thinking, 'man what if it was 'so and so' in place or 'maybe one or 2 extra at the party would be a hoot right about now'. you feel kinda guilty about it. you let is distract you for a bit and then you just get back to full speed. IYKWIM.

acura's biggest problem, people know its tarted up hondas. at the auto show yesterday, the TSX in rice body trim, the RDX in rice trim. Acura can't go anywhere when hondas fart can legacy is holding it back. no self respecting adult can take it seriously. Infiniti has all distinct product from Nissan mostly. Acura is Honda.

that's the entitlement baby boomer generation for you. and now they are looking for a savior. sure, they bought lots of detroit iron, but honestly, the imports only had a few models back then. it's not like we had 10 lexus models and 20 toyota models to pick from back in 1972. and, they seem to forget, GM was one of the brands that fueled the economy with the expansion of their business. GM provided transportation for these people for a good part of their lives. Its not improbable to think that had toyota had to supply that variety and size of vehicles that people wanted back then, within the framework of American business, that they would have done any better of a job. Toyota got its rep on little pukey 4 cylinder pop cans. they have only been selling a wide range of vehicles here in the US for a short time. Over time, their resale will tank and their reliability flaws will be exposed as well. so basically then its a generation of whiney self important cry babies who want to punish Detroit. Fine. But i don't think they will get the satisfaction in revenge they think they will, by spending 48 grand on tarted up camrys, or pickups with multiple problems. The verdict will be out on whether toyota can pull of being toyota with a huge full sprawling operation they have now.

FTW! btw, i never realized my member has a number. 16.

that sounded very technical and informational. Didn't you enjoy watching that?

unfortunately, the 80's at a midwestern university wasn't that cool or terribly frequent. nowadays i know that is fairly usual. why couldn't it have been more fun back then? I have a theory that women love to make out as foreplay and guys probably don't kiss well, so girls like to kiss each other because they are better kissers and get turned on more by it than guys do. and they do it for practice. if they're drunk, they can just say, oh my i was drunk i didn't mean to do it. RIGHT.

i've always said, watch to see what gas prices do, right before the election and right after. i bet interest rates drop and credit gets loosened up again too

the non DI CTS got great times in C/D. its plenty fast.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...review/(page)/1 car and driver likes it too this car may be the surprise of the year!

o cmon, you should elaborate.