regfootball

i wonder if it ever occured to anyone that this segment is huge, and that anyone with a family and kids, that market is not gonna be all that widely stratified by price to begin with. this is a 'need' vehicle. GM is not going to want to create price points that vary widely from a middle norm, artificial price stratification isn't going to create brand equity by itself.

congrats on the new G6!

AWESOME CAR! congrats!

as much as all the buff books and press and 'enthusiasts' bitch about 'oh my god 4 lambdas' the truth is people shopping for this type of vehicle in most cases do not give a rats ass about 'rebadging'.....and they can shop for 4 different choices vs. one toyota (lowlander) which is less appealing. no one cares about rebadging if its done right. as long as the product is good. look at how the envoy and trailblazer used to clean house. it was when they came out with the ranier and stuff, the platform was old and tired. truth is chevy needs this segment badly. the traverse should be a good competitor. pilot and highlander are ugly as sin but will both still sell well because people in this country will buy ugly as long as someone else tells them to do it.

this is a car they need to have to market NOW!

As a timberwolves fan each year it is becoming more and more hilarious how we draft others superstars and trade them away like toddler clothes you give away to the second hand store for a dollar. RAY ALLEN BRANDON ROY (roy=rookie of the year) now this year McFail gives away a promising OJ Mayo and also Chalmers. the level of humor with his deals get worse each year. How in the HELL can we get rid of him? and then trading Garnett too? my gosh.

i think panel trucks would be popular still today. actually i do see lots of HHR's around.

a chevy lambda will sell the most of the lambdas so this is not a waste, and, it replaces sales losses from full frame suv's and vans. plus it is a derivitive of 3 existing lambdas so not much money was spent to make this. end result = more sales, more share than not having this in the showroom. 4 lambdas will sell more than 3 overall for GM and it will take share from other competition.

you need to know that women think irrationally and driven by emotion. mine is better than most. look at all the women though who insist on driving CUV's because the minivan doesnt make their 40 year old mom image sexy enough.

so its ok for 'luxury' makers like porsche and audi and such to peddle fwd performance cars.....and take no crap for it. but if GM has performance fwd they get crucified.

yet there is no need to trash the G6. its a great car and its ok if someone says proudly....I LIKE THE PONTIAC! we need to stop telling people that WE think THEY could get something BETTER. turns out this was the best for HIM.

even my wife now says 'no minivan'. guys, women control car sales. women think minivans are unsexy for their aging wrappers. GM is fine right now by selling 4 styles of lambda. yes chevy does need a minivan but for right now its ok. women have established a huge stigma on real minivans that almost can't be overcome right now.

note that the yaris and aveo have the same CR rating in their latest issue. and toyota is better?

exactly. hyper's post was spot on also. especially CA. Fk CA i say.

you get tired of hearing the 'certification costs' bull$h! after awhile. the commodore has a v6 stick option too.....why dont we get that? maybe we need global emissions and crash testing so this having to dump big $$$ on the feds restricts our choices.

maybe what is needed is this. a chevy-buick-pontiac-gmc channel (buick and pontiac and gmc are only a handful of models but very unique and really just supplement the chevys a bit its a way to keep those brands alive) a saturn channel a cadillac channel (saab option)

can all those incentives be used with the financing? i know the 3k sounds like either or?

yeah, curious that they missed the astra incentives. 0/72 on the astra is an instant no brainer. again it goes to show how they are going out of their way to promote aura and astra is merely a placeholder for now. HHR though, 0/72 or 2500 cash back

yup. true.

why did they do that

but if that is what wall st. wants as eye dressing to put them back in a positive light....

as you say. but the whole thing is, a tough economic downturn should not cause us to lose it all. what i am saying, they've made mistakes, but our country should not have to pay the price by losing our companies because that is a net negative.

see, mr bush, this is what your 4 dollar gas has done. your buddies all got rich enough now. first housing and now energy. now you're looking at entire industries and companies going down. things would not be this bad for GM if the market was on pace for 16.3 million again this year. GM would be able to sell enough vehicles to have cash flow and try to work itself out of this mess. Instead, everyone is not buying, or only buying Yaris and civics and stuff. This has been a huge wakeup call for detroit and clearly the investment community is interested in a huge fall for GM or Ford or both so they can buy it off the scrap heap for cheap and then proceed to rape the pieces of it and either sell it off to another country or make a killing off the scraps here somehow. if this economic fear we are all in and the 4 dollar gas continue after the election then all bets are off I guess. I think at this point at least from the sound of it, Ford might have the best chance of not crashing to the ground. It's in the interest of our Domestics to have the economy get positive again, and fast. If the domestics cannot maintain market share for the next 18 months or so, then it will come down as a huge turning point and i think we may not even have the choice to drive GM Ford Chrysler for too much longer. Even though they are building some of the best cars ever. Keep buying those Camry's people. So the Jap govt can pay for more batteries. Maybe its time for a Carlos Ghosn type to come in and spank GM. Maybe its time for new thinking and Red Ink Rick to turn the key over to someone more ruthless. And someone with a world perspective.

the ecotec is a tremendous engine. revs, power up high, down low, mid range. GM needs to hook it up with better trannies though.