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its apparently perfectly fine for us to blatant proliferation of asian brand vehicles that all look and feel the same and are all priced the same. i doubt joe average who runs out and buys a RAV4 is fully aware of how big a pile of average that vehicle is. I've gotten stuck in a rav4 rental and its junk. yet we have the forester, rav4, outlander, crv......all equally mediocre and being sold and spewed in multiple dealerships. Perhaps we can weed out all that redundant subpar crap. Really, do you think the CRV and RAv4 are any so different that we can suggest that the world we be a whole lot better without one of THEM? GM has every right to design and sell products however they see fit. GM also has done the brand closing thing and all that did was cost money and market share. So, all you experts, tell me how YOU see this working out? Where I bought my last new GM vehicle, they sell all the brands except Saab and Hummer. I can if i want choose from any of the Lambdas i want to be honest i like having that choice. How many freaking versions of a 3 series do we have? is the 1 series neccessary? hardly. Look at the new maximas trunk lid....do you really think its all that different from an altima? Do we really need a maxima and an Altima? I'm kind of tired of armchair critique of GM. When GM does the product right, its totally fine to have a multibrand strategy. The Lambdas all are done right. Only idiots would write off the lambdas in this class and go buy a highlander without at least test driving a lambda. But since everyone has herd mentality, i understand that. When GM decides it is financially doable to kill brands then i am ok with that also. point being is all you guys do is repeat the blather in the press or whatever the hot opinion is. 7-8 years ago it was all about niche models and every detroit automaker had to make all sorts of brand proliferation and model duplication to keep up with asia and germany. well now, i guess the old double standard is reared its head again. it would be funny to see as people suggest......have only chevy and cadillac. how freaking absurd. How would you sell a nice vehicle like the Aurora? Chevy aurora? too nice for chevy. Cadillac aurora? wasnt nice enough for caddy. some folks cant afford caddy and some folks dont want the low rent status of chevy (or toyota for that matter). I dont want a toyota and i dont want a lexus. how come toyota doesnt offer me a brand line in between? None of toyotas brands are performance focused. None of toyotas portfolio has european styling.

and really you're just being too picky for what these vehicles really are.....family sedans in 2008. take a basic wagon or sedan, add a third row and make it look like an SUV. when the basic product is this good there is no need to get cute with it and try to make it weird. truth is each lambda is better than pretty much any other asian competitor right now. no family in their right mind if using utility as a litmus test for their purchase would pick the highlander or tribeca. the honda is dog ugly and for that reason alone can not be tops. the cx-9 is the only one you can say with the straight face might be universally better and even that one fails in some regards compared to the lambdas. in the final analysis, if the asian choices were gone from the market, no one would miss them because then people would be able to shop for more of the better choices. its their asian first mentality that is diluting the market with all the undistinguished flooding of the market. why should we eliminate GM's brands when the product is better? I say tell the asian carmakers to keep their subpar sh1t at home so we dont have to have the market flooded with their crap.

because the pilot and highlander and endeavor and tribeca are all such superior products? cx-9 may be better but not by much.. mdx is 15 grand more. i'd rather have 4 lambdas to choose from then all that asian crap. what did the review say already? steering is better on the traverse. we already know the styling is and so is the utility. warranty also. the pilot has been blasted in reviews i have read already. you heard it here. BLAND ASIAN CRAP but it sells in the US because people seem to prefer BLAND LIFELESS ASIAN CRAP you ever spent time in a previous gen highlander or pilot? how do you not vomit? talk about setting the bar low, talk about low expectations.

in 5 years no one will care as long as the end product is good. the epa, the feds and the state of CA have conspired to guarantee that most cars in the near future will be either fwd or fwd bias awd available chassis. better learn to like it. most people dont have the driving skill to be able to tell or maximize a rear bias chassis anyways.

you make it sound like there will be no net increase in volume and share with the new chevy entry. you're wrong. so, why do they sell 4 different brands of milk at the grocery store?

well they have four or five different color iPod? myself, i prefer choice. i used to like acadia the best, but i think the outlook and traverse are my favorites. I like the choice. its no different then the mind numbing number of bland asian choices without difference in every segment.

i wonder if it ever occured to anyone that this segment is huge, and that anyone with a family and kids, that market is not gonna be all that widely stratified by price to begin with. this is a 'need' vehicle. GM is not going to want to create price points that vary widely from a middle norm, artificial price stratification isn't going to create brand equity by itself.

congrats on the new G6!

AWESOME CAR! congrats!

as much as all the buff books and press and 'enthusiasts' bitch about 'oh my god 4 lambdas' the truth is people shopping for this type of vehicle in most cases do not give a rats ass about 'rebadging'.....and they can shop for 4 different choices vs. one toyota (lowlander) which is less appealing. no one cares about rebadging if its done right. as long as the product is good. look at how the envoy and trailblazer used to clean house. it was when they came out with the ranier and stuff, the platform was old and tired. truth is chevy needs this segment badly. the traverse should be a good competitor. pilot and highlander are ugly as sin but will both still sell well because people in this country will buy ugly as long as someone else tells them to do it.

this is a car they need to have to market NOW!

As a timberwolves fan each year it is becoming more and more hilarious how we draft others superstars and trade them away like toddler clothes you give away to the second hand store for a dollar. RAY ALLEN BRANDON ROY (roy=rookie of the year) now this year McFail gives away a promising OJ Mayo and also Chalmers. the level of humor with his deals get worse each year. How in the HELL can we get rid of him? and then trading Garnett too? my gosh.

i think panel trucks would be popular still today. actually i do see lots of HHR's around.

a chevy lambda will sell the most of the lambdas so this is not a waste, and, it replaces sales losses from full frame suv's and vans. plus it is a derivitive of 3 existing lambdas so not much money was spent to make this. end result = more sales, more share than not having this in the showroom. 4 lambdas will sell more than 3 overall for GM and it will take share from other competition.

you need to know that women think irrationally and driven by emotion. mine is better than most. look at all the women though who insist on driving CUV's because the minivan doesnt make their 40 year old mom image sexy enough.

so its ok for 'luxury' makers like porsche and audi and such to peddle fwd performance cars.....and take no crap for it. but if GM has performance fwd they get crucified.

yet there is no need to trash the G6. its a great car and its ok if someone says proudly....I LIKE THE PONTIAC! we need to stop telling people that WE think THEY could get something BETTER. turns out this was the best for HIM.

even my wife now says 'no minivan'. guys, women control car sales. women think minivans are unsexy for their aging wrappers. GM is fine right now by selling 4 styles of lambda. yes chevy does need a minivan but for right now its ok. women have established a huge stigma on real minivans that almost can't be overcome right now.

note that the yaris and aveo have the same CR rating in their latest issue. and toyota is better?

exactly. hyper's post was spot on also. especially CA. Fk CA i say.

you get tired of hearing the 'certification costs' bull$h! after awhile. the commodore has a v6 stick option too.....why dont we get that? maybe we need global emissions and crash testing so this having to dump big $$$ on the feds restricts our choices.

maybe what is needed is this. a chevy-buick-pontiac-gmc channel (buick and pontiac and gmc are only a handful of models but very unique and really just supplement the chevys a bit its a way to keep those brands alive) a saturn channel a cadillac channel (saab option)

can all those incentives be used with the financing? i know the 3k sounds like either or?

yeah, curious that they missed the astra incentives. 0/72 on the astra is an instant no brainer. again it goes to show how they are going out of their way to promote aura and astra is merely a placeholder for now. HHR though, 0/72 or 2500 cash back