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i've driven a couple of the recent vintage Vues. they are nice. the 4 cyl has more pep than you'd think, and the 6 has guts. they both handle well for a crossover. the dash is laid out intelligently and i love the simple radio and CC and big vents. the vue is kind of an odd tweener thing though. its heavy like a wider edge, but not quite as roomy inside or have as much cargo. its more luxurious than a rav4 but can't match the mpg. to me crossovers are still evolving. the new terrain makes so much more sense to me than the Vue, and the Vue was a big upgrade over the previous equinox. now that i have had time to accept GM's downsizing, i don't really mourn the loss of this Vue too much, since I would probably get a terrain over this or hold out for an Edge with 2011 upgrades including possible 4 cyl ecoboost. i realized too that even though saturns buying experience was above par, their pricing strategies had gotten way out of hand. even moderately equipped vues were priced highway robbery. overall, anyone looking at a Vue I think is better served by an Outback on one end and an Edge on the other. or equinox / terrain if they stay GM.

i would guess most Fits sell OTD for 17k. at that price, i am not buying. i would move up to a compact that is more solid in return i give maybe 3,4 mpg. or something used. conversely, the Fit interior is annoying despite its function. It drives nicely, but so does a basic VW Golf. I would guess most Versas sell OTD in the 14 range on average. So these are not directly comparable. A mazda3 2.0 starts looking good with my 17 grand instead of the Fit. Real world i don't see much difference mpg wise and the 3 will be as enjoyable for nearly all buyers. Even if the mazda3 ends up a grand higher its more of a substantial car. The real fools are the Yaris buyers. Most folks shopping appliances will move up to say, an Elantra. In fact, the Elantra touring is nice upgrade over the Fit. You lose some of the sprite character, but the Elantra touring would probably be a better car for most of the people who seem drawn to the Fit and Hondas in general (i.e. old ladies, retiring baby boomers, women who insist on shopping only based upon what consumer reports tells them). What i am saying, the majority of the public doesn't recognize or appreciate the handling differences the Fit has to offer, but will quickly notice things like the cabin noise, not comfortable ride, cheap fabric and plastic, video game dash, lack of power and torque, thin sheet metal and such. For those that like the Fit's virtues, thats fine. I am saying the Fit's virtue set is non as permeable with shoppers as people who are blinded by the H would think. If this car had anything besides a Honda badge on it, it wouldn't sell 1/2 or 1/3 what it does.

i don't think toyotas loyalty is rock solid. for example, i think lots of toyo fans would be fine buying hyundais, subarus or other japanese makes. honda fans are definitely more loyal. time to go read my 2010 VW brochures and off to bed. Golf, Jetta, CC, GTI!

every time i say how could one look at a mustang (because the camaro is so hot), then i do again what i did yesterday (sit in a loaded mustang) and think to myself, 'holy crap this mustang is nice inside and its not such a huge car'. gotta admit, i like the mustang too! i like the challenger too! this is like having to choose one passed out girl at a kegger. can't wait to see how the mustang v6 performs with the new engine next year. really like the new interior. perfect character for the mustang.

yeah but it has a big H (the original H) on the car somewhere which gives it lifetime gold cred.

better yet, lets add camaro and mustang sales and compare those to genesis coupe sales.

no the reference was to other posters long ago who suggested the genesis was a better car than the g8 and would sell like hotcakes. also a reference to all the gen coupe vs camaro threads not started or posted by you, but it was an opportunity to bring those comparisons up again

sonata fleet numbers have got to be even higher. i might even suggest 40-50%. camry and accord lock the retail sales. malibu and altima and mazda6 sell well also. fusion too. hyundai sells mostly elantras retail.

sienna is novacaine. odyseey drives well but is noisy inside and you feel too much pavement. which IMO are issues on a large road trip vehicle. routan actually is a good van. top end model, go driv eone. quest to me is a nice middle ground between the novacaine sienna and the echo chamber odyssey. plus its distinct. can't say the odyssey is a bad product, just for me, if i was trying to ride cross country comfortably, the comparative harshness and loudness inside would be unacceptable.

101 jeep compass!

was just checking

go transit connect

thought the fit was down 51%

it was ECO boost

47 Amantis! 653 Kia Rondos! those will all end up being sold at poquetauto.com once they serve their duty at hertz.

Sentra is indeed $h!ty but the Versa cannibalizes it. People are ok with $h!ty since the Versa sells well too. Look at those Quest sales numbers. How can they even justify production with it so small? Same thing applies with so many models out there. Thing is, I like the Quest as a van.

i was actually going to comment on that as well. for a brand 'that everyone wants', it seems like its only on track for what, 50k units? like the beetle, the fad dies off, what are you left with. hence the 'variations'. Clubman is a 'wtf' kind of car, the Crossman is a question nobody asked. The coupe i think is fine. What is next, a Mini'van'?

genesis is a better car than G8, gen coupe better than camaro? but then add g8 + camaro sales and even with pontiacs demise, who sold a LOT more

a used dealer broker i have bouht cars from in the past, typically holds an inventory of about 250 cars or so. Mostly they try to sell import luxury cars. Lately, you go on their website, every week under new arrivals, a whole new batch of Sonata rental returns. Unsold Rondos too. At least 15 or 20 a week, at super low dumping prices. That is indeed how Hyundai keeps their factories moving, fleet dumping.

azera sucks go entourage genesis hardly lighting it up

they found out its not that awesome of a car

lexus SC lol

some positivity in there in bits. gm needs a lot of new models.

too bad regal is the midsize. they should use the insignia name for the buick insignia clone and they could do gangbusters for name recognition to do the compact with the name Regal.

local dealer told me they would sell me a loaded 3 dr astra last saturday, their last one. msrp 20500, for 14999. i was going to check and see if i could use my GM card points all of them. but i am not in a position to follow through. maybe their will be a couple available with a similar price in the next few months. maybe used prices will drop like a rock too. problem is in 2-3 years when i would want to sell it it would be worth even that much less.