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those avengers with big rebates look pretty good compared to pie in the sky cruze pricing. a new buyer will lose their ass if they spend 24 grand on a cruze, and then its worth 13 on the auction 12 months later.

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GNX? GS Regal should have over 300hp before they sell it and it gets a rep as underpowered.

thanks for the explanation.

hence why i figured i might as well have bought my cobalt when it was half the price of that. nearly. i knew waiting for the cruze wouldn not be fruitful at all. 012 civic looks to be a disaster. At this time the Jetta, Cruze, and Focus look to be market leaders very soon next to the mazzeda 3 in fairness, only 5% of cruze's built will have that 27k sticker. I see most of them being in the 20-22 range. LT1 or LT2 with things like remote start and such. A rebate and dealer discount and we are probably around 18-19, which at that price it could do ok. Chevy should have avoided the few models with sticker shock. It's as though they did that only to spike residuals for the whole line and to convince the banks to loan all it can to back up the sales transaction prices.

you mean like a turbocharged mazdaspeed3 for just a few bucks over 24 thousand? Well, at least one gets a turbocharged engine that can move the car. Cruze LTZ with all options is well over 26 grand, WHAT ARE THEY SMOKING? I did price an LT1 at 20,600 and an LT2 with sunroof at 22,700. That is closer to reasonable. But that Kia Optima will be about the same price..........I'm all about supporting the home team but at extortion pricing, the home team can GFI. I'm not sure who remembers this but this reminds me of the Oval Taurus and Ford Contour intros. The aspirational pricing did them in from the get go. The Cruze is a bit more solid product wise (engine output notwithstanding) but its not head and shoulders enough apart to have one on the lot at 27 grand. Chevy also better have good lease deals in the works to match all those zero down 229 a month corolla leases.....

Cruze configurator is on at Chevy.com might want to medicate for sticker shock.......

All I know is the regal, equinox, and cruze all have been called slow in reviews so far. So much for that gut wrenching gm torque. Your argument becomes valid when the cars are not ripped for being slow.

I've said this, this is where pricing and advantages on the spec sheet are what lures the skeptical buyer in it's why even though it may meet baseline standard to simply match the others in things like hp or having DI or Usb and Bluetooth standard....... Example. Malibu can't get real wheels until 2LT and like a 25k sticker. Other cars in class you can get alum wheels for 21 and change. The customer feels ripped off before they even consider what to go out and drive. It's why numbers on a spec sheet are more powerful in the sales experience than everyone wants to fess up and admit.

wow, car and driver wasn't so kind about the equinox and the 6 speed. gm is not the first manuf to have 6 speed autos they are one of the latest. my 05 ford 500 had a six speed back then, 6 model years ago. the reason it seems like a godsend now is because the old models with the pushrod motors and 4 speed automatics were another level down on the food chain. cruze shoulda had a 1.6t

me...warming to it.... 0-60 in 7.3? that's like over 2 seconds quicker than a CRUZE i bet....for the same money.... Nissan's Mini killer? http://www.insideline.com/nissan/juke/2011/2011-nissan-juke-full-test-and-video.html

what's GMI? lol Astra GTC 3 door here as a Buick? I think cruze deserves a coupe, verano/astra a 3 door., aveo should consider a 3 door too. SPARK GXP GMC Granite Denali current one as an SS would be cool. but based on the most recent next gen spy shots the malibu appears to be heading towards snoozer lame/lane. no wonder they are making the cruze the performance sedan. the next malibu is starting to look like it has dull written all over it. you either have to afford the buicks now or go for the cruze ss. no oracle of delphi to pop in on this one?

i WOULD be interested in a car like that. 140hp, pass, but 170...and light weight, let's talk. my biggest gripe on the past performance models was the huge price difference it took to get one over the median model. instead of 7-10 grand price spreads on a basic vehicle for the performance goodies, can we just look at say 3 grand for a modest but noticeable improvement? example, maybe a cruze SS at 28 grand is nice, but i think a Cruze RS at 22k with a 180-200hp four pot and euro tuned suspension and quicker steering would sell a lot more and build more of a fan base than a 300hp awd too expensive one. as an example. Lancer evos don't sell a bunch. the WRX sold a lot when it was affordable. as recently as 3 years ago you could still buy a WRX closer to 20 grand rather than 30.

2008 Nissan Maxima. 33k miles. leather, sunroof.

well, i will defer to a later time. i was just looking at some dodge magnum AWD's those are outrageous too.

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my aztek apparently had no trouble selling for the 7 grand asking price......transmission about a week away from death and all.......... it wasn't going to do me any good to pump the money into and fix it and try to sell it myself. people will give a dealer 7 grand for something with imminent repairs but i bet i wouldn't have been able to find any private party takers for 5 grand with repairs needed at the start. whoever bought that was looking at 10,000 dollar bill at the start for a six year old car with 115k on it. i hope they like it for a LONG LONG TIME i did find an attractive 05 or 06 fwd rendevsouz with 60k and in decent shape for around 10,800 at a dealer recently. i almost test drove it.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/2010/08/17/day-by-day-review-2011-buick-regal-cxl.htm?page=all he is SMOKING CRACK it IS an upgrade. and the seats are not FLAT.

again, spot on. but then when you want to trade, all of a sudden the dealer looks at book as gospel. in order to screw you coming and going. sell for retail + 2000, trade in book minus all the little things we can find wrong with it.

a better and quicker way of summing it up. exactly. are there any still around? Saturn WAS popular here so all the new outlooks cleared out fairly fast. AWD to me now is nice, but not a dealer breaker. just so long as its not RWD.

exactly what i was worried about too. You know I couldn't find any used Outlooks or Acadias at the time 4 months ago that had below 30,000 miles for less than about 25 grand. Most of them were around 30 grand and already had a lot of miles on them. I love the Lambdas, love them, but very pricey new or used. They seem to sell the Outlooks for the same price as Acadias up in this neck of the woods. Its nuts. Even used Mitsubishi Outlanders they want 25 grand for them. INSANE! Used Malibus with 4 cylinders for 20-22 grand! insane! You can periodically find a used front drive Ford Flex with about 10,000 miles on it for a price closer to 20k rather than 30, but you really have to accept the looks of it. The more loaded up one with AWD are closer to the big prices of the Lambadas.......

my lease was up in 08 right around bank crash time. almost exactly 2 years ago. my ford 500 had an MSRP of like 28,500, the 3 year residual per the lease on the car was about 16,500 or something like that. I wanted to keep the car, but back then, i would have been buying that car for 16 and change and it was worth only 10 at the auction. i wanted to see if i could have found it after the fact. coulda bought similar ones for like 12-13 grand no problem. I couldn't re-lease, everyone got rid of leases back then. so i bought my taurus X with 12k miles for about 21k. car was 10 months old and the sticker was 35 grand, so i got a great deal then but a really bad loan because of the ass clenching credit situation. Now two years later, everything is up about 5 grand across the board indeed. I would have to pay more for that used 500 today than two years ago and my taurus X with 40k more miles on it and two years older could fetch close to the same price it did 2 years ago. When we bought the cobalt back in april, i had researched just about every used car and in the end the prices all seemed so inflated to me i just could not justify it. So many cars with 50k+ on the odometer selling in the high teens for ordinary cars. My father in law bought his 08 Grand Prix as a rental return in 2008 and paid like 13 grand and change.....i even said to myself, 'yes you could live with a grand prix'......even the best deals on 08 grand prixs i found, everyone wanted 15 grand+ for now 2-3 year old ones, many without ABS, and now they all had 50k+ miles and they wanted 2 grand more than my father in law paid for his two years ago. Its one thing to overpay for a new car, you know you will lose your ass. But to buy a half used up car at an inflated price.....you are stuck with it two years later, it's value has nosedived, yet you still owe big bucks. or, if you own it outright, you need to plan on keeping it forever, whatever you paid for it is completely lost. The bailout allowed the US mfrs to change their business model so they won't have to rely so much on cheap volume cars like old grand ams to keep factories moving. Now, GM Ford etc is perfectly fine selling most of their product at high prices with the exception of a couple models which they try to build in Mexico, etc (Fusion, Fiesta).....Ford and Chevy don't want to sell in the spot Kia has taken over now, and nor do they need to apparently. affordable commute cars for most folks become used cars, the starvation of new car sales the last two years made a pent up demand for car sales now, and the new stuff is too expensive so more people want used ones. But used cars are in short supply since fleet sales were starved too just like retail new sales the last couple years. No lease returns will be coming back for the next couple years either. The automakers love it. the bailout and crash helped them out big time. they wrote off the crippling costs, were able to be subsidized to downsize their production or outsource it to make more money per transaction and more profit per vehicle, they trimmed dealer costs too. they have conditioned those few left that do have money these days that 35k price on a vehicle is a great deal! No wonder GM is excited to do the IPO! I think there is a good opportunity right now if you can hunt down and find some good really old well cared for cars with low low miles, they are a good buy. Something like the Olds Intrigue (8+ years old) I spotted a couple months back with under 50k miles, perfect body, clean interior, can't remember the price. I think 7 grand. If you are willing to keep that car and drive it 5 years, then, that is a good way to go. But the days of getting value for your money with a 2 year old car and low miles. GONE. it sucks because the new ones have gone up 5-10 grand just like the used ones too. But at least the odometer is at zero on the new ones.

what is not quite right is to be all about the environment, and then live like 50-60 miles from work and put 100-120 miles or whatever on your car to get there. Anyone who does that, I don't care if its out of necessity or whatever, has no reason to criticize non hybrids and the like. The guy who drives the Tahoe 3 miles to work is far more green and a lot less of a tax on the road and its services than the supposedly green person who can't practice what they preach and work close to where they live. If you're really committed to being green its super hypocritical to drive long distances to work everyday.

the ones i saw were all black also. i thought the black was just fine. i checked insurance on the sportage. the guy did not have rates yet but i checked the current Tucson also (similar model) and the rates were absurdly low. about 20-25% less than my Cobalt. For that matter, it was also about 20% cheaper than the Subaru Legacy I checked last week.

i will say this. creating new energy source is probably our next big low hanging fruit to keeping our economy relevant, much the way that computers / internet / software / Y2k/ IT did from the nineties and the Billy Clinton era on. If we don't get on this, we'll be making clothes to sell at the Aeropostale stores in other countries at this rate. The sticky wicket we have with energy is that so many people here and abroad have a vested interest in milking the status quo. There is no competition for electricity and home energy seemingly......public utilities seem to have a monopoly and there is no impetus to create private investment. For transportation our oil sellers have us by the balls and some of them are politically charged countries we would otherwise not want any association with. A car like the Volt is a great example of how we can start to make dents in our shift to other means of car transport power. My fear is we will not fund the pot fast enough to work on energy solutions.......and other countries will beat us to it. Or, we will do it and the other countries will steal our technology....or worse yet, retaliate towards us for cutting off their cash flow. That is one reason I don't mind funding ethanol. I'd much rather fund ethanol development in all forms than say, guarantee the health insurance industry a silly amount of cash flow with mandatory health insurance and raised taxes.