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Your talking body and frame ‘truck’ like a Tahoe. I’m talking the unibody competition which still is , as an SUV Of similar size and space, going to command more because it’s an SUV. the large unibody SUVs don’t have much advantage in towing over a minivan. very few people cross shop Tahoe’s and suburban and expedition etc vs a minivan. If you’re getting a body on frame truck it’s because you want the full frame and a more usuable towing capacity. I’ve never known anyone who’s cross shopped a truck vs a minivan. Also, no one takes a minivan or unibody suv off road. The AWD is simply a traction enhancer for these people in bad climates. True off-roaders take pickups / trucks and Jeep’s off-road. And Broncos now too.

absolutely correct about how much more $$$$ for the same 'stuff' if it were an SUV. (and in particular GM). Now, partially due to being a returning lessee, Chrysler had EXTRA 3,250 incentives for us, beyond all the regular incentives everyone gets. We know GM does incentives big but I'm sorry, a little measly 1,000 dollar GM card top off incentive towards what GM has as a 45-50-60k MSRP vehicle is almost a big freaking joke. I used our GM card first time back for our 99 Chevy Prizm, and those dollars meant something. Really the big difference in my case here was this time around I was able to get memory seats, surround view monitor, 2 rows heated seats, heated steering wheel, full safety package, front row cooled seats, the very latest touchscreen and operating system with wireless charging, USB-C ports, wireless Apple CarPlay, power folding third row, vacuum cleaner....for less. So part of that is because on the market, people pay less for the van compared to SUV, and some of that is due to GM poorly building trims and packages to exclude and extort. For example, on an Enclave Essence it is near impossible to have access to a unit with surround view monitor. Even many with premium trim do not have it. So we were lucky due to our situation as returning lessee to get a 53k+ sticker vehicle, written on the lease order with a purchase price of 38k and change. And actually too the residual is low, normally you don't want that but it may actually be a good enough value at the end of the lease to purchase. 15 grand in incentives and discounts. crazy. The hybrids are extremely cheap to lease now, extra incentives for hybrids. I would have except we still wanted sto n go. Hybrid doesn't allow that. The all wheel drive does hit the fuel economy. So far i guess its a 12-15% drop but that is in line with the lesser epa numbers on the window sticker, AWD vs FWD. Wife thinks it drives faster, I think it takes more gas to get it going. Reviews say its about a 1/2 second hit on 0-60 time. I would say that is about right. I think the front drive or all wheel drive is good in bad weather, more dependent on the tires. I just wanted the added traction of all wheel this time around. I bet Chrysler will get a greater than 50% take rate on the all wheel drive across the Pacifica line this year. the 20 inch wheels are sick looking, but what is funny.....with the added sound isolation materials on the premium trim...it's quieter but also with the 20 inchers and low profile Falken tires..and I think they've done some steering tuning....this thing is kind of fun to drive for a large rig. the roll stiffness is definitely more compared to the 2018, and the steering is sort of quick feeling. And the ride isn't worse...it still is sorta cushy. There's a little less front end weight bias due to the AWD drivetrain, it feels a bit more balanced in handling, and for a boat this size, actually seems kind of fun. The Pacifica drives nicer than many sedans out there these days.

what is needed; CROSSOVER COUPE VAN

its like the Flex and previous Explorer mated. these two pics are from the costco trip we took with it right after we picked it up. I still haven't driven it yet. Kia CARNIVAL can suck it. LOL

now it's KIA ----CARNIVAL------......CARNIVAL that looks like a pulled previous Ford Explorer. whoops, others beat me to the punch. I do not like the CARNIVAL name, and of course, I don't think it looks anything fetching. In fact, it looks slightly weird. to me anyways.

if i could just figure out how to make this brown, and put a diesel hybrid AWD powertrain in it with manual transmission, add some cladding, jack it up, add some arbitrary swoopy windows and fender flares, and then we'd have the ultimate category killer, AWD diesel hybrid manual crossover coupe minivan.

https://jalopnik.com/the-holy-grail-of-gm-minivans-was-never-sold-in-the-u-s-1841977990 "We all know what Chrysler’s coolest minivan is: the turbo, manual first-gen Dodge Caravan. We all know Ford’s coolest minivan: the rear-wheel drive, manual transmission Ford Aerostar. And we all know that GM’s most interesting people-movers were the “Dustbuster” minivans. Except the Holy Grail variant of those was never sold stateside."

Imagine if it were a diesel, manual, with the all wheel drive. i agree it sort of looks like a stick shift in the picture. LOL

I just noticed the fold out footrests on the FRONT seats. Is it the goal to make this WALL-E style transportation? Lay back, kick your feet out.....

New Connect 5.0 with 10 inch screen is quite impressive and amazing. Took delivery Friday wife had it all yesterday...I haven't even driven it yet. grrrr

Thanks ! I agree....And payment didn’t go up much; up one trim level. Lots of incentives.

Lease ended on 2018 Pacifica. Apart from looking at the Traverse and Enclave, made the seriously easy decision to re-up on a 2021 Pacifica Limited all wheel drive. Ridiculous incentives made it possible for a great deal, and we totally loved our 2018. Sorry GM but your GM Card top off was not much extra incentive. 20 INCH wheels on a van? Thank you STELLANTIS.

Sweet! Love the wheels! And the red calipers. !

they could have literally replaced the current Ford Edge with this design, and put a gas motor in it. Would sell well. I don't mind the Mach E but the marketplace adopting electrics will be slow.

new van on its way. could have / and should have bought the one with lease ending. van to arrive next week. GM card top off couldn't even sway me GM's way this time.

Anyone ever get to see a Cadillac Mirage?

How about a "Free Spirit" edition? Or does 'free spirit' not jive with 'Made in China'. "Buick Roadmaster Free Spirit Tour X" Makes me wonder, in Canada, would a Buick Lacrosse 'fappening edition' been a big seller? WUT? Buick SKYHAWK ROADHAWK Double hawk!

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35473579/peugeot-no-us-plans-stellantis/?utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_source=facebook&src=socialflowFBCAD&fbclid=IwAR2RThmLM6BcpSfai0CZxLvufRwW0hnj9p-Q0WoBDV631pNMnzTnAkhsX1M

now put the 2.7t in it. "Wow that's really a sharp looking MAzda CX-5"

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Managed to capture a couple pics of the all new 2022 Acura MDX today. Interior looks wider than before, the dash is interesting. Not sure if I dig the console or not. Side flanks of vehicle quite boring and doesn't really give away what brand of vehicle it is. Should appeal to someone who wants a sporty Honda type vehicle and not a blah Pilot or Passport. I wonder if drivers will like the touchpad and weird console and lack of touchscreen.

Here's a couple pictures of Buick Envisions I took while out at some lots today. Through the window glass, the interior looks to be as nice as it seems in pictures, but perhaps less spacious feeling than the outgoing Envision...perhaps mainly due to a less tall cabin.

Lease end time on the Chrysler van. Looking at new 2021 Pacifica AWD. Lots of nice upgrades, particularly on interiors including a new console. Also considering but really not excited about, Traverse, Enclave, Blazer. Only giving them shade because its GM Card top off month. Funny thing is even with the top offs, the GM stuff is never the best deal. The XT6 I drove recently was nice, but its out of budget. In general I am rolling kind of anti-GM these days. Had a thought or two about an Explorer, but they are cheap inside, I wasn't a fan of how it drove and it's gotten some teething pains coming out of the gate with the new design. May look at 2022 Acura MDX when it hits the showrooms this week. The center console looks to have spoiled what may otherwise be an interesting vehicle. If i extend the lease I am told the new Grand Cherokee L will be available in a few months, but sales guy said the first ones out are almost all going to be top trim level versions. It looks nice but dimensionally its as large as a Traverse with not near as much interior space. 2021 Durango has massive improvements inside that may make it a big dark horse, if it saved $$$. Otherwise, I've never been a fan. VW Atlas or Cross Sport. Maybe last resort if a great deal were there. No intent to look at the overhyped Hyundai Palisade and Kia Telluride. Used low mile Ford Flexes are really great deals these days. May buy out current van, extend the lease also. Never been less excited about vehicle shopping in my life. Maybe because getting over Covid and my lethargy makes me not want to do much of anything.

@ocnblu https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35034259/2022-ford-maverick-future/ Here's your compact pickup

Have you seen the new Tesla 'steering wheel'?