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so I guess Pontiac or Buick is gonna die then.

probably depends on how succesful Lucerne is between now and then and whether that name has any cache left or whether it has to be tossed for a new one. Impala could make the leap from FWD to RWD, I'm not so sure about Lucerne.

that was rumoured last year. don't think it was ever confirmed. personally, i like the name. much better than Roadmaster IMO

should Cadillac really be trying to compete with those cars? personally, I don't think so.

all you guys complaining about markup must just march right into a dealer when it's time to buy a new car, look at the sticker price and pull out your check book and pay full pop. NOT! get your head out of the sand.

you got that right. it has the Race Car engine in it!! and had the V16 in a Yukon 'mule'. then they fired it up. wow!

it was discussed on the show. CTS-V M1. for Woodward Ave Cruise

there was a clip of a CTS-R???? that was painted grey. It looked like a production car. Hood also had some louvers. also had some cool clips of Sixteen and Evoq.

it is was in Desert Sand you'd be drooling over it!

great. so given that this is now public, can you confirm product code, and when it should be on the street?

there's no accounting for taste.

so, you're saying that those folks that buy SClass and 760i would just as soon purchase an Escalade? I think you are mistaken.

a lot of the exterior issues are resolved if you get it in Black. i followed one today. very hot!

less than impala

kinda reminds me of the shoody products that used to come out of japan. japanese products used to be crap. they are not anymore. the chinese will figure it out and it won't take as long as it took the japanese.

so what? there is only so much you can do with a std 3 box design. (like the new Mustang is a rip-off of the old one... but is that ok, because they are copying themselves?)

there is no witch hunt. (someone thru some water on him and he melted!) if you want to talk cars, then we should move to a new thread as this one started out as an apology from flybrian, not as a discussion about cars.

you guys continue to bash the Koreans, yet they are making ground and squeezing GM at the bottom end. I wouldn't be so quick to criticize to make yourselves feel better. it's not like the Malibu, G6, LaCrosse, Impala, Cobalt are setting any styling benchmarks. the fact remains that Hyundai does not make the $h! product that they used to. they have some pretty decent quality these days. factor in a pricing model that gives you a lot more features for the $$$ and a stellar warranty and you've got a very compelling story for a segment of the market.

i think it needs to be '07 MY, but '08 is better than '09.

if only it was as simple as Josh posting mis-information. there is far more to it than that.

maybe it's cause you keep driving fords?

ah yes. the land of free speech and the right to sue anyone for anything.

i don't want anything else. Josh chose to post, with the .ppt file. I chose to respond. end of story. btw, I find the witch hunt a complete red herring to what happened and why. it's an interesting sidebar but not core to the decision to run with the story.

my point is that given the fact that the technology exists to 'chop' digital pictures of cars beyond recognition, it seems reasonable to presume that someone can forge a ppt or pdf to make it look like it came from GM or any other company. and by the way, i didn't say to discredit it. i said, given the scope of it wouldn't it have been prudent to verify with someone else before running with the story. however, that goes back to you to figure our how much faith/trust you place in the source. if they'd sent you 100 tips prior and they were all legit, then either this one was an error/oversight, or you were set-up. like i said earlier, i didn't get the chance to read your original post, so can't comment directly as it's not clear to me exactly what your post said. but, 'Outlook is shelved. Outlook is delayed. Outlook is Killed.' all have different meanings. However, based on the mixed comments of those responding, your post was less than concise on what the real issue was and what was really happening. If the ppt that you posted doesn't look like what you saw then don't post it. this is a great example of misinformation. you say, 'look what i saw'. i comment, 'it looks off', so you reply, 'well that's not exactly what i saw, it looked different on my computer.' my point is, either show me exactly what you saw, or at least indicate that the content is accurate but the format is off. finally, i'm not sure what your post said, but the document you posted says GM Confidential. not sure if your post constituted a breach of this confidentiality or not, again, as I didn't read it. my opinion, is that you would not knowlingly violate it. (fact that the NG CTS was yanked pretty quickly and remains hidden... at least publically, as I'm sure all the mods and a ton of others have seen it). which leads me to one last an final comment/question. is the purpose of C&G to engage in meaningful dialogue on GM specifically and the auto industry in general based on rumours, hints and even facts. or, is it an automotive journal focussed on 'scooping' others in the industry with 'first to press' facts? is the goal to be first or to be right?

BTW, just who is warren8391 anyway?