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Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
Then you have capitulated your....analysis because it's incomplete.- 196 replies
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Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
Well then I'll just say your argument is based off of selective and insufficient evidence. You can't just pick and choose like this. Because you said yourself, you have no horse. By default you have to present the whole picture. If you're not willing to do it, you're not going anywhere with your ahem "analysis/discussion of the evidence presented" Yeah, let's make a poll. All in favour - Ye or Ne. I'd make a poll, but anyone who has participated in this topic can vote thorough a post. Majority rules. Do we have a satisfactory quorum? Should EL K write an academic paper about this topic? I vote YE- 196 replies
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Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
Tech industry? No I was squarely talking about financial analysis. And Tesla is an automaker. Use information from the other defunct electric car makers. Many of which they started around the same time the ICE powered carmakers did. Again please proceed with a valid financial assessment, look at receivables, all kinds of ratios, analyze their stock price and stuff. Check who's the ownership - Is Mush a shareholder with considerable influence? Like really based on available shares and what the company constitues a majority/influential shareholder? C'mon don't just rely on people that have opinion that is not grounded on anything more that superficial facts. Go do the entire analysis.- 196 replies
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Tell your awful dealership experiences here
Suaviloquent replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in The Lounge
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Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
But you're only presenting one side of the argument. Did you actually do the due diligence to check counter-arguments? I mean, I don't myself have the utmost time at this present moment. Pretty intense work and school stuff. But it goes also with the issue of popular sources. There's inherent biases present. Atleast by looking at their financials, and doing all the ratio analysis - you'd get to core measures of performance that can be tracjed and compared over time. Do all that, then tell us what is more telling. If you can't, then you're not presenting the whole picture. This is kind of like a controversy...multiple sides, multiple viewpoints, different issues. Yeah, let's have someone make an academic paper of sorts looking at Tesla's future.- 196 replies
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Hyundai News:Hyundai's Genesis Brand Unveils the G90 Flagship
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Genesis
I think it's pretty good looking and the interior is succulent. Pretty good competition against the CT6 actually. It won't have the light weight or dynamics but it has a really good looking interior, and it looks classy, and no more Hyundai badge. Must be luxury, right? Plus this is the car that I would have wished Lincoln's flagship sedan would be in terms of product execution. Not bad at all. It delivers a lot of luxury for a price that I think folks will really like. -
Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
As long as they continue to win praise from multiple automotive publications, it's pretty uniformed to say they lack great product. And they're selling more vehicles than they can even produce. The backlog is immense. They have no issue with sales or winning industry accolades. And they already paid their DOE loans, so whoever is saying they didn't is a liar.- 196 replies
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Poverty life : Lubricating a bicycle drive-train for the whole year: $10. Cost of fuel: Fat in the legs and cholesterol clogging the arteries. Insurance: a helmet that should keep me from being a vegetable. Wear and tear: about $100 - 300 every year in parts. I spent about $600 though this year in high performance hubs for a wheel build, wheels, brakes and stuffs. I guess I can quote the "oil changes" on my bike in the low cent figures.
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Yeah, CUE still needs to improvement, but Cadillac has everything else pretty much on point. Now just get the pricing in line and make good on promise of more VSports and iterative improvements to interior trims choices, and they'll be more reasons than ever to get a Cadillac.
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This model CTS is a lickable car. Lick the headlights.. I reccommend it highly, as uhh well let's just say it's an informed opinion. I mean, the cars in this segment, for the most part are pretty even on specs and stuffs. I mean in MT's Head2Head with the GS F Sport, they gave the GS credit for feeling just as nimble and they liked the interior a bit more, even though it was massively down on power...but similar in price. Chalk it up to the CTS being a base V Sport versus a loaded GS F. Anyways, I drool over this car, and even better I have a mental model of a poster of it in the back of my head and my desktop wallpaper every so often changes to a very pretty pic of this car. When I decide to finally splurge against my own self-imposed poverty thug life, this is a car that I would love to own.
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Well it's no worse than some recently launched Ford/Lincoln models not being upgrade-able to Sync 3.
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Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
They're still behind, and they really have to spend marketing EVs while at the same time cleansing TDI. And the missions E is the closest thing to a direct a Tesla competitor, but it's going to be a full 7 years late. Not exactly a vehicle expected to do much. There are other jurisdictions, such as regimes that the U.S. Federal government constantly pursues action against in the WTO for manipulating currency markets and unfair trade practices... And yet Tesla has to contend with these same unfair rules at the state level. Let the chips fall where they may, but I'm not going to hope that a Porsche beats a 7 year old car. It damn well better, especially since there is no indication of whether if it'll actually beat the Model S on price.- 196 replies
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So does that mean most new cars can't use conventional oil? What about cheapies like me? I mean, the last time an oil change was done was when ... dear god, the 95 Maxima was given to the grim reaper about 5 years ago. Around 3000 miles or so changed the oil. The car had some pretty bad electrical Gremlins. Basically I got away from cars because I realized I could afford one, but didn't want to, I led myself to believe that living the poverty life would grant great riches once older. Now I am not so sure...
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I like it a lot more now too. It's another great pick in a pretty solid segment.
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I'm going off of the XC90. Since they're basically the same interior save for the design of trim pieces and their placement. Yeah, I can totally see this car's interior being a match for high-trim 5 Series, E-Class, CTS and the like.
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See, lookit here. Long established automakers has been trumped by a newcomer that owns the top-end. Very much Tesla's model 3 will not be positioned as the same kind of EV that the Bolt is. The Model 3 will be the 3 series of electric cars. It'll start at $35k or so, but build to $50-60k as well. Tesla is brilliant in letting the established players scuffle for a little more unit sales and no profit. Being a realist, you have to realize, this thing looks just as frumpy as any electric toad built by anyone else. But somehow exterior designs mistakes made here are forgiven because it's a GM product. Given the choice, would you buy this or the Model 3? Now ask this question to anyone looking to buy EV, and then realize that Tesla is not afraid, They would not be here, if they didn't realize some automakers would catch on and try to replicate their success. Well you can ask the question to the OP of the thread as to why he had to include Tesla.
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Oh, I'm not the money guy, I'm just the person who invariably mentions the double-edge sword of revenue...unit volume and unit price... Ahh, see the thing is I've often enough mentioned that Tesla may not break a profit at all for a few years to come. No one will, with an extreme change in the market. The thing is investors are not cashing out; they're going to wait and see the plan unfold. But they're going to remain the best when it comes to electric vehicles, and they're going to be the closest to being viable. If they set aside building infrastructure they'd be making profit easily. Look at their cash flow. Immense in-flows and crazy out-flows. It's all a policy decision. I'm not making this a Tesla thread. Let the cards fall. But don't be naive to up-sell GM when their supposed lead in the mass segment is going to be extremely short-lived.
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Yup Porsche has announced a car that will debut before 2020. It's 2015 now. Tesla is laughing at anyone being a booster for Porsche. Oh an I accidentally up-voted your post. Take it as a freebie.
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Celebrity tree-huggers? How contrived can that notion get? If GM wasn't scared of Tesla, they wouldn't be the at the forefront to ensure that Tesla can't sell vehicles in Michigan. GM's dream of course would be to restrict capitalism at play and make sure Tesla can't sell anywhere. Those are facts. And Tesla's factories are working full-tilt. I agree though, their interior does have get better, but as long they're so dominant and they can deploy high-tech like self-driving cars before anyone else, people can forgive minor shortcomings. Why do you think they are too expensive? They give you better than super-car acceleration; they've got the hands down of the best interior touchscreen setups. It's the best car period for some. The appetite for Tesla, especially Model X is insatiable. They're the only luxury electric vehicle manufacturer as well. No one else can claim anything of that sort either. The big picture is that if it were so easy to build electric vehicles, Tesla would have been crushed long ago. Why hasn't one materialized? It's been 3 years. Nothing yet to comes even close. I'm not going to go by Porsche coming out with some sedan with dated specs quoted from a concept. Especially how inefficient German engineering is in reality. And Cadillac's recent failure, the ELR points to how hard to would be for Cadillac to charge prices anywhere close to how much fully loaded Model S costs. All Tesla has to do is to make sure that the Model 3 doesn't look like a lame duck that every other electric car looks like. Tesla will force others to compete against them, not the other way around.
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I think people are really underestimating Tesla's brand recognition and loyalty. No one has yet to renege on the 30,000 Model X vehicles that were pre-ordered. And the best part about Tesla is that they use conventional battery technology. Their pancake battery uses cells very similar in chemistry and configuration to ones found in consumer electronics. Tesla isn't scared of the Germans. They've already got Insane mode to dish out the pain. What's great about Tesla, is that they are the only company that has taken on the issue of charging infrastructure head-on. Even if it ups the ante, it's brilliant compared to anything that anyone else has to offer. They're ahead in vehicle execution, they've got the infrastructure and they are expanding manufacturing capability. There's not much anyone else has done that comes even close to Tesla's effort to date.
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Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
This. Super bump.- 196 replies
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I saw a new Volt in the flesh. I was not impressed. In the photos it looks like a sedan which I loved, but in person you could tell it was a hatchback. Except I'm used to seeing hatchbacks with a steady beltline, but here's it so upswept it just didn't jive well. Even compare it to the old Volt. (heh rhyme) The Beltline is straight as an arrow. I like the old Volt's look with the new one's prowess.
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Tesla Increases Lobbying Efforts To Break Into Michigan
Suaviloquent replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla
Uh..... Tesla would be the first automaker to have a kit car become MT's 2013 Car of the year and Consumer Report's Highest rated sedan ever (it's not longer a top pick...but highest rated tho). Kit cars or not, built in a backyard garage or not, lacking absolute luxury or not, they have changed the game forever. If anyone has a $100,000 or more burning hole in the pocket caused by buying an electric vehicle, you can be sure they bought a Tesla.- 196 replies
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