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    Where do you get that the VOLT in Hybrid mode gets abysmal mileage? Green Car reports in real world driving they average 41 MPG in extended range mode. That is pretty awesome. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1096237_2016-chevrolet-volt-50-mile-range-41-mpg-five-seats-all-new-photos Plug in car says when you take pure electric mode into account with the extended mode you are at a real world of 50mpg. http://www.plugincars.com/epa-rates-chevy-volt-93-mpg-or-60-mpg-or-35-mpg-depending-106498.html GM's own VOLT web site is conservative stating an average of 40 mpg. http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/ No matter how you look at it, the car delivers well on giving great MPG and performance fun. So how do you state this is abysmal? Where do you get that the VOLT in Hybrid mode gets abysmal mileage? Green Car reports in real world driving they average 41 MPG in extended range mode. That is pretty awesome. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1096237_2016-chevrolet-volt-50-mile-range-41-mpg-five-seats-all-new-photos Plug in car says when you take pure electric mode into account with the extended mode you are at a real world of 50mpg. http://www.plugincars.com/epa-rates-chevy-volt-93-mpg-or-60-mpg-or-35-mpg-depending-106498.html GM's own VOLT web site is conservative stating an average of 40 mpg. http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/ No matter how you look at it, the car delivers well on giving great MPG and performance fun. So how do you state this is abysmal? Abysmal for a hybrid mode. I'm not talking about when it's a series electric vehicle. That part is awesome. Anyone who doesn't charge the Volt often or doesn't at all, won't get the main benefit, and should buy a proper hybrid.
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    The Volt's a more livable day to day car now. It's a very fine line trying to differentiate a Malibu. It's bigger but it doesn't have a hatch. But again, because of CAFE automakers are making efficient iterations of every vehicle, they have to and hybridization is one way to do it.
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    It also goes back to the stupid subdivision setup created by early North America. Back in the day of the colonies actually. They thought it'd be better to have squares than circles. And that is something that set the tone for how fudged up transit here really is. The Paris transit system is like the best in the world... anyways plenty of circles.
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    Yeah, from some angles it looks, different I'll just say. I really think the next-gen hybrid sedans should be AWD. The RAV4 hybrid is AWD for example, but there's no mechanical linkage to the rear and the engine. AWD as well as being the fuel-efficient and performance leader in the line-up is a decent sell. It's all about what OPEC wants. They want no competition, and definitely, with all this efficiency around the world, not only are they selling oil cheap, they're selling less of it to many markets.
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    Genesis is by no stretch of the imagine going to overtake anyone even with this. They'll be happy just to get maybe a 100% increase in sales. Which is not a lot at all. Maybe a couple hundred sales per month. There's no hook. But this car is far better than any attempt by many brands that claim they are prestigious, and yet we're led to believe they're shattering what it means to be luxury. But this goes without saying - this is a thoroughly modern car. It's going to have plenty of cow-hide and wood inlays as well as the latest infotainment. If it's better than a Lexus LS, than that's one victory they could surely take and work with.
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    I was always someone who actually liked the way the Lucerne looked, even in the beige colour. It worked. And seriously, the new Lacrosse looks more like a reimagined Lucerne than a Lacrosse. And I'm just fascinated by that.
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    Except the Malibu cannot drive on electric only power for "X" number of miles like the Volt. Two different types of cars IMO. Not exactly the same, but that's my point. Someone will come in and think 'the volt is too small' and then you just qualify them, do you really need the plug in? Would a cheaper car with more room make sense to you? You can snag an electric intender who is not yet ready to pay the full price for a plug in, so chevy can downsell and get those people. They may not come in wanting a hybrid, but if you show them the plug in and back them down to the hybrid then that MSRP on the Bu Hybrid looks like a bargain, and they haven't compared it to the Fusion or Camry. Saying it has 'a good part of the same hybrid system as the volt' adds value because its not the same 'low grade hybrid' like the fusion or camry. Not everyone who comes in to look at the volt is going to decide they need the plug in. When you get the people to make the decision, then you can downsell the Malibu and they will think you are giving them more value. Eh, people salient to Toyota hybrids already would not call variations of the Hybrid Synergy Drive low tech at all. And the Volt in hybrid mode gets abysmal mileage for a hybrid. It's only sell is the electric range. And Fusion has tech from the Energi, which is a pretty svelte plug-in sedan as well. It doesn't have an epic range, but atleast it still has a conventional sedan shape. Anyone buying a hybrid right now is really looking at long-term fuel costs and other operating costs. Marketing stunts will not fool anyone. Value isn't conjured out of thin air, and for hybrids, like I already mentioned competitors cost less, so that's in consideration too. And hybrid sales everywhere are tanking as well...
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    And that report was instantly recognized as a fabrication. It took words and manipulated them to sell an agenda. And it's not like GM. Ford or others don't do direct sales. They do direct sales to fleets and upfitters for fleets for all kinds. A police agency doesn't just go to the neighborhood dealer to order a police cruiser. The fallacy of older brand arguments, and fabrication of facts to pander to an agenda.
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    But looking at the bigger picture, you know I just find it ridiculous that people already criticize this car for things Hyundai definitely says it's not meant for. There's plenty of wealthy folk that are around the age of boomers, or are themselves that could find this car having a lot of merits. I'm going to keep an open mind, but where you call Hyundai/Kia's luxury suspension "soft and comfortable", many would call it sloppy and outdated. You don't pay top dollar (or near it) for a car that lacks innovation. The press statement said they're developing it on the 'ring, so we'll see. I'd like them to bring back the R spec as well. In comparison to what however? Lacking innovation? The only innovation that the traditional luxury brands are doing is going downmarket. And Cadillac, Jaguar are few that are, but look at their dire circumstances when it comes to sedans that just can't sell when the market has shifted to utilities. For the price you're paying, you're getting innovation worthy of the price. You could pay double money for the 7 Series that isn't twice as good. You could pay almost three times as much for an S-Class that isn't three times as good. And you could pay slightly more for an upcoming Cadillac that many people have said fails to innovate in terms of style and has an interior unbecoming for a flagship, even a placeholder. And then you have Lincoln and Acura going through their tumbles. Where are you getting real innovation? And at what cost? And excuse me, but I know that very few publications have called the handling or ride of the Genesis clumsy - the same number of people that might call Cadillac and Jaguar rides as unduly harsh. It might not be to the level of some makes, but with BMW becoming softer by the day, and Lincoln committed to quite luxury... The ride/handling is suited to the customers they are targeting. To call it outdated and clumsy is giving a moniker that is hardly something those same customers could ever agree with.
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    Double standards. They don't work as solid footing for an incomplete argument. Especially why you allow others to make an informed conclusion and yet they refuse. For reasons as to which are held dearly close, because they're not rational.
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    To the people who say that this car looks like others... let me put you in on a dirty secret that no one notices. Henrik Fisker was behind the current Aston Martin look. The Fisker Karma grille is the same shape just with vertical slats and a separation in the middle. This car looks like other cars because the people who made this car are the same people that set the basic look of the other cars. If they can only iterate not innovate, why are you blaming the this brand exclusively? Certainly other brands can't do better, because they're just rehashing the same designs from the past, with nothing new in design for a long time. The car looks the part. It's a luxury three box. It'll fulfill its mission just fine.
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    Well then I guess confusion has run amok in this industry, especially the domestic one that really changed names left or right. These immediate confusions people can stipulate will subside pretty quickly. Name changes always bring confusion. How is this in any way different? Why should Hyundai be singled out for making mistakes that somehow the indomitable home team gets to make because it's the home team. By this notion the CT6 naming is a calamity for Cadillac because everyone will be confused as to why the lovely and familiar ATS, CTS and SRX names are hitting the dust-bin. Or Lincoln with their MK(insert frustration here) naming with the awesome heritage names. They had to change the brand name and assure some semblance of exclusivity by launching the name as well as a separate floor space to showcase these products at dealers, with different sales staff. This name change was inevitable, and the costs of having some confusion is nothing compared to continue being blasted by the popular media and customers themselves for not doing so.
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    Pretty bad premise for a thread. They're going for having extremely satisfied customers and no dealing with dealers that don't comply to such high standards. And I think it was already mentioned in a thread wayyy before, Tesla is taking no chances. A whiff of trouble and they'll investigate. No other automaker can do this. None. VW's going through such a mess to uncover hidden faults, and so have others in the past. Yet here Tesla is trying to brings issues to the surface, trying to find mistakes.
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    Well... it kinda is. They have the "Hyundai Genesis" look on the nose, so until Genesis gets a new look, it is still going to carry a Hyundai prefix in people's minds. Drew I'd have to soundly disagree. The same people that hounded Hyundai for selling a luxury car without a luxury badge are now going to be the same preposterous people who will now call it a Hyundai even when it isn't. And what constitutes a luxury design? The guy who signs off on the design of this car used to design Audis. When you have tepid Corollas and Sentras with LEDs for lighting and pickups with the same cow-hide used in the big bucks sedans there isn't much wiggle room to pretend a product is genuinely luxurious because of the features and amenities it offers. Does that mean every single Hyundai/Kia has a premium design? Well, it should since we know the same people that design luxury cars now design Hyundais.
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    But looking at the bigger picture, you know I just find it ridiculous that people already criticize this car for things Hyundai definitely says it's not meant for. There's plenty of wealthy folk that are around the age of boomers, or are themselves that could find this car having a lot of merits.
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    Yeah, on the interior alone this car is more compelling to anything from Detroit. It's a luxury car, it has a luxury badge and it gets bespoke parts and engineering. I'd like to think driving dynamics matters for the large sedan buyer but can point to the S-Class and soft 7 Series and say for the majority it doesn't.
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    Well if that's the case then all automakers ought to be hounded for lobbying at all for the entirety of their history. Because lobbying has nothing to do with building cars after all. Especially lobbying to fight CAFE...
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    Precisely why I'm crazy and I happen to live in Canada of all places.
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    There's plenty of debunking done that shows synthetic fuel while clean-burning always takes more energy to produce than can be released in the chemical reactions that convert it back into oxides... Heck I remember watching a Nature of Things episode (CBC) where one of the guest speakers in that episode said that fuel extraction industries while looking dirty are way more cleaner than making synthetic fuel.
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    Correction: It's no longer a Hyundai. Then again the pursuit of becoming luxurious, you'll notice that the guys at Rolls Royce and Bentley are in no hurry to lose weight, heck they want to add weight as much as possible. This flagship is still superior to anything else out of the East. The LS is well past it's prime. They're not going to sell it as some canyon-carver. Genesis built a car for people to sit in the back. Nothing wrong with trying to be salient to the demands of the buyers they want to court. What exactly is it lacking? If it drives like a floating brick then it's probably performing as atleast one kind of luxury absolutely exceptionally.
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    This comment is more of a collective meh over up-selling hybrid efficiency that all makes do. I take all hybrid ratings with a grain of salt. It's largely how you drive the vehicle, more city usually = more efficient. Even more so, the marginal increase in efficiency equates to peanuts in savings over a competing hybrid unless you keep the vehicle for a long time. Sure, advertise 45+ mpg combined, but even the now defunct Honda Accord could be beat that on the ratings, yet driven in many ways couldn't follow up that claim. What's good though is that this vehicle looks the part, but imagine Chevy has traded some go for the sake of some efficiency gains. 1.8L of gas engine sounds pretty gutless to me. But here's the real play. The way this hybrid is equipped, you have to get a $25,000 Malibu, not the base LS. With OPEC on a industry killing spree - do you really need the efficiency right now? Or do you haggle off a couple hundred dollars over the other guys by saying this new model is in some ways superior? They're still excellent in their own right. I just think that electrification needs expensive gas to work, and OPEC knows THAT too.
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    Rookies who've probably gotten gull-wing doors into lowest price point for a vehicle. Think about it. In terms of real dollars, this is the cheapest SUV to get gullwing doors. It's certainly advancement in design and engineering. Probably not cost-effective solutions for the customer, but again, why should GM be afraid of an automaker that you think is making mistakes?
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    Im sorry guys...Im still on this Star Wars thing... And yes Suave...I heard Darth's voice when I read your post... Its very hard for me to get off of it...until I see Episode 7 I guess... Continue on with this analysis paper...and I vote Ye...so, stop being lazy...use the force if you have to. Im sorry guys...Im still on this Star Wars thing... And yes Suave...I heard Darth's voice when I read your post... Its very hard for me to get off of it...until I see Episode 7 I guess... Continue on with this analysis paper...and I vote Ye...so, stop being lazy...use the force if you have to. I'm perfectly fine with people thinking I'm the evil empire in this kind of context - after all, I laugh like Charles Heston... Goes without saying, is Tesla the Rebels?!!! Huh?! And the rest of industry the Empire?! Oh my gawd such intense analysis and such.
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    And I am not saying it's invalid to think that it was waste. Heck even I think it was too much bravado and not enough common sense - it probably delayed the X too much. But again, not sufficient. But what does Gull-wing doors have to do with lobbying to sell vehicles in a state where the nearest competitors (they are selling cars after all) oppose to their sales model. Insufficient, not invalid, remember?
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    I think the added benefit of third rows is that they're packaged way better than ever before. You don't lose as much cargo space as a penalty when they're folded, so it's just extra capability you get just in case. I would not hesitate to get a third row that's optional in a giant truck or crossover. It'd be useful eventually, and opens up the resale opportunities when it's time to turn it in for a new vehicle.
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